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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 9814298" data-attributes="member: 6779310"><p>A new edition of Star Frontiers is NOT a stupid idea.</p><p></p><p>It could very well benefit from a revised edition with a few more skills, not gating ship skills to high-experience characters, and all the races from SFAD and ZG in the core...</p><p></p><p>Which is not anything like what LaNassa and Gygax seem to have had in mind.</p><p></p><p>Separate the concept from the execution.</p><p></p><p><strong>which brings back to T&T:ANA - </strong>the goal is to keep the tone and key innovations of T&T while modernizing and streamlining.</p><p></p><p>Whether Malthouse, et al, have succeeded at that is arguable - I find it hits the major points for me... but many of the T&T grogs aren't even taking the time to read it before going off about it not being worthy of the name.</p><p></p><p>It is different; there are good reasons for the mechanical and setting changes.</p><p></p><p>the setting has enough of the same issues of 70's to 90's D&D settings that it's really not viable to just reprint it; it would be more work to clean it up than to write new.</p><p></p><p>the mechanics: given that Rebellion has decided (at least for now) to leave the PDFs for sale for older editions, they need to have a modern</p><p></p><p>Keep in mind, the racism element is strongest seen in those speaking American dialectical english. Zappathingum isn't that silly...</p><p>Yassa Massa is dialectical for the US... if one's not familiar with the US South, it's racism is not as obvious. It raises some questions now that you mention it, but no one's ever mentioned that aspect to me before; just didn't occur to me, since the dialect I grew up with didn't use it.</p><p>As for what they were thinking? They're white folk from Arizona, writing in the 1970's... offending people 40+ years on certainly wasn't on their mind, and nothing on the list would be problematic on 1970's TV. </p><p>Political Correctness of the era was totally different... </p><p></p><p></p><p>I only got 4th and 1st last year. I literally only looked at the maps, MR, and Casting rules. </p><p>I started with 5th, specifically the black box inset color cover 5th.</p><p></p><p>No, I get that... it's <strong><em><u>never</u></em></strong> been a distinctive part of T&T for me. I don't think it's a viable distinction, and I don't think it's supported by the rules as written.</p><p>No clear cut good vs evil? Reread the Charisma rules (2.41 and 3.5. And the distinction in 2.41 that "Charisma for monsters is negative."</p><p>PCs as heroic? in the rules? never specified either way. But their foes as monsters is explicit, and implies heroic for PCs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 9814298, member: 6779310"] A new edition of Star Frontiers is NOT a stupid idea. It could very well benefit from a revised edition with a few more skills, not gating ship skills to high-experience characters, and all the races from SFAD and ZG in the core... Which is not anything like what LaNassa and Gygax seem to have had in mind. Separate the concept from the execution. [B]which brings back to T&T:ANA - [/B]the goal is to keep the tone and key innovations of T&T while modernizing and streamlining. Whether Malthouse, et al, have succeeded at that is arguable - I find it hits the major points for me... but many of the T&T grogs aren't even taking the time to read it before going off about it not being worthy of the name. It is different; there are good reasons for the mechanical and setting changes. the setting has enough of the same issues of 70's to 90's D&D settings that it's really not viable to just reprint it; it would be more work to clean it up than to write new. the mechanics: given that Rebellion has decided (at least for now) to leave the PDFs for sale for older editions, they need to have a modern Keep in mind, the racism element is strongest seen in those speaking American dialectical english. Zappathingum isn't that silly... Yassa Massa is dialectical for the US... if one's not familiar with the US South, it's racism is not as obvious. It raises some questions now that you mention it, but no one's ever mentioned that aspect to me before; just didn't occur to me, since the dialect I grew up with didn't use it. As for what they were thinking? They're white folk from Arizona, writing in the 1970's... offending people 40+ years on certainly wasn't on their mind, and nothing on the list would be problematic on 1970's TV. Political Correctness of the era was totally different... I only got 4th and 1st last year. I literally only looked at the maps, MR, and Casting rules. I started with 5th, specifically the black box inset color cover 5th. No, I get that... it's [B][I][U]never[/U][/I][/B] been a distinctive part of T&T for me. I don't think it's a viable distinction, and I don't think it's supported by the rules as written. No clear cut good vs evil? Reread the Charisma rules (2.41 and 3.5. And the distinction in 2.41 that "Charisma for monsters is negative." PCs as heroic? in the rules? never specified either way. But their foes as monsters is explicit, and implies heroic for PCs. [/QUOTE]
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