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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7030270" data-attributes="member: 12731">No, I wasn't talking about giving away full attack sequences. I was talking about the distinction both 3e and 4e makes between a &quot;simple&quot; no-baggage-attached attack, and one where your full class baggage comes attached. In 4e, a basic attack is an at-will that simply is weapon die plus ability modifier. As opposed to the at-wills, encounter, utility and daily attacks granted to you by your class. The game uses this in lots of places, granting you a basic attack which then can't be loaded will all the powerful riders of regular attacks.In 3e, the game separates between a &quot;full attack&quot; and a regular &quot;attack&quot;. The first one allows you to unload your full sequence of attacks but limits movement to a 5ft step.(I believed a rogue needed to take a &quot;full attack&quot; to apply sneak damage, but that turned out not to be the case).---What I am talking about is that 5E lacks the terminology to separate between &quot;a regular attack, one that you can apply any game effect to&quot; (I don't know: paladin smites; sneak damage; the +10 from greatweapon mastery just to pick three)&nbsp; and a &quot;restricted limited attack that is ability plus weapon and nothing else&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7030270, member: 12731"] No, I wasn't talking about giving away full attack sequences. I was talking about the distinction both 3e and 4e makes between a "simple" no-baggage-attached attack, and one where your full class baggage comes attached. In 4e, a basic attack is an at-will that simply is weapon die plus ability modifier. As opposed to the at-wills, encounter, utility and daily attacks granted to you by your class. The game uses this in lots of places, granting you a basic attack which then can't be loaded will all the powerful riders of regular attacks. In 3e, the game separates between a "full attack" and a regular "attack". The first one allows you to unload your full sequence of attacks but limits movement to a 5ft step. [I](I believed a rogue needed to take a "full attack" to apply sneak damage, but that turned out not to be the case).[/I] --- What I am talking about is that 5E lacks the terminology to separate between "a regular attack, one that you can apply any game effect to" (I don't know: paladin smites; sneak damage; the +10 from greatweapon mastery just to pick three) and a "restricted limited attack that is ability plus weapon and nothing else". [/QUOTE]

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