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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8616990" data-attributes="member: 23751">I understood his point and it was a response that indicated that he understood yours. Your response missed his entirely, though.No. I pointed out that the a single vague sentence isn't helpful, not that alignment isn't useful.&nbsp; Alignment should be a bit more detailed so as to let new players understand it better.&nbsp; And no a LG society cannot engage in child sacrifice.&nbsp; A misunderstanding of LG due to one vague sentence is how that could occur, though.Two things.First, yes. It's any or all of those at the DM's discretion.&nbsp; He gets to decide what evil magic means.&nbsp; Going by RAW all of those qualify.&nbsp; Some magic is inherently evil.&nbsp; Creating zombies is one of those types of magic.&nbsp; Using magic for evil purposes would also be evil magic.Second, your questions don't touch on alignment.&nbsp; Evil exists even if alignment doesn't, so either it's Nuitari, LE god of evil magic if alignment is in the game, or Nuitari, god of evil magic if alignment is not in the game.No.&nbsp; I want to say &quot;the army's soldiers are mostly Neutral Evil&quot; as a way of saying, &quot;That they are just plain evil.&nbsp; They have no rules on when or if they will commit an evil act.&nbsp; And they are not psychotic about it.&nbsp; They just do it when they want, for whatever personal reasons that they have.&quot;&nbsp; It let's me know when playing them that they are not going to run around gleefully torturing everyone that they defeat, but that if it's expedient to kill an entire village so that word doesn't reach the rulers of the country that they are invading as quickly, that they will do it and not shed a tear.This is why I said you missed his point.&nbsp; He wasn't saying armor means what alignment means.This is wrong.&nbsp; You can have 5 creatures with AC 20.&nbsp; One might have light armor and be very agile and quick.&nbsp; Another might have thick scales.&nbsp; The third might have magical skin that is hard to penetrate.&nbsp; The fourth might be wearing magical plate and shield.&nbsp; And the fifth might be wearing hide armor, but have a mental ability that throws off attackers.AC 20 is short hand for all of those, but you aren't going to know exactly which until you read the description of the creature.&nbsp; That's the similarity that [USER=2525]@Mistwell[/USER] was pointing out, not that AC 20 influences creatures actions the way alignment does.Good and evil are objective in D&amp;D.&nbsp; An evil act doesn't become good regardless of reasons you think justify the act.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8616990, member: 23751"] I understood his point and it was a response that indicated that he understood yours. Your response missed his entirely, though. No. I pointed out that the a single vague sentence isn't helpful, not that alignment isn't useful. Alignment should be a bit more detailed so as to let new players understand it better. And no a LG society cannot engage in child sacrifice. A misunderstanding of LG due to one vague sentence is how that could occur, though. Two things. First, yes. It's any or all of those at the DM's discretion. He gets to decide what evil magic means. Going by RAW all of those qualify. Some magic is inherently evil. Creating zombies is one of those types of magic. Using magic for evil purposes would also be evil magic. Second, your questions don't touch on alignment. Evil exists even if alignment doesn't, so either it's Nuitari, LE god of evil magic if alignment is in the game, or Nuitari, god of evil magic if alignment is not in the game. No. I want to say "the army's soldiers are mostly Neutral Evil" as a way of saying, "That they are just plain evil. They have no rules on when or if they will commit an evil act. And they are not psychotic about it. They just do it when they want, for whatever personal reasons that they have." It let's me know when playing them that they are not going to run around gleefully torturing everyone that they defeat, but that if it's expedient to kill an entire village so that word doesn't reach the rulers of the country that they are invading as quickly, that they will do it and not shed a tear. This is why I said you missed his point. He wasn't saying armor means what alignment means. This is wrong. You can have 5 creatures with AC 20. One might have light armor and be very agile and quick. Another might have thick scales. The third might have magical skin that is hard to penetrate. The fourth might be wearing magical plate and shield. And the fifth might be wearing hide armor, but have a mental ability that throws off attackers. AC 20 is short hand for all of those, but you aren't going to know exactly which until you read the description of the creature. That's the similarity that [USER=2525]@Mistwell[/USER] was pointing out, not that AC 20 influences creatures actions the way alignment does. Good and evil are objective in D&D. An evil act doesn't become good regardless of reasons you think justify the act. [/QUOTE]

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