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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9228560" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Okay, this is a pretty clever set up. But I would certainly not call this a strength challenge. Yes, three characters with an 11 strength can force open the door, but the fact that for two characters it takes a 16 and a 17 or an 18 and a 15 makes that an unlikely combo. It feels to me more like it was designed to allow for players who just kill the zombies without finding a way to open the door properly to not be prevented entry. I'm not saying it is a bad challenge by any means, this is a pretty great challenge, but the challenge seems to be designed with the expected answer being &quot;how do you cleverly utilize the zombies&quot; not &quot;how do you utilize your strength&quot;. Because let us say that a group comes across this door, and they have a single character with a strength over 14... Well, unless that character has a 20 strength and the next highest is a 13, they are not going to be rewarded for having a high strength, because the door is explicitly too heavy for any single character to lift. You still need clever tactics, or multiple high strength characters, and so it doesn't feel like a challenge designed to reward that one level 4 barbarian with a strength of 18 in the group. I'm not sure I'm getting across the difference very well, so I can try and re-explain if it isn't clear, but this just does not seem to be designed first and foremost to reward strength characters for having high strength.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9228560, member: 6801228"] Okay, this is a pretty clever set up. But I would certainly not call this a strength challenge. Yes, three characters with an 11 strength can force open the door, but the fact that for two characters it takes a 16 and a 17 or an 18 and a 15 makes that an unlikely combo. It feels to me more like it was designed to allow for players who just kill the zombies without finding a way to open the door properly to not be prevented entry. I'm not saying it is a bad challenge by any means, this is a pretty great challenge, but the challenge seems to be designed with the expected answer being "how do you cleverly utilize the zombies" not "how do you utilize your strength". Because let us say that a group comes across this door, and they have a single character with a strength over 14... Well, unless that character has a 20 strength and the next highest is a 13, they are not going to be rewarded for having a high strength, because the door is explicitly too heavy for any single character to lift. You still need clever tactics, or multiple high strength characters, and so it doesn't feel like a challenge designed to reward that one level 4 barbarian with a strength of 18 in the group. I'm not sure I'm getting across the difference very well, so I can try and re-explain if it isn't clear, but this just does not seem to be designed first and foremost to reward strength characters for having high strength. [/QUOTE]

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