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<blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 9231577" data-attributes="member: 59057">1. DC 10 checks never get irrelevant. DC goes not up per level. Ever raising them is a relict of the past and actually hurts martial characters overall, as they fall more and more behind. At some point, martials with +9 in a check should just succeed. Also, there is aoptional rule in the DMG that allows every proficient character to succeed a DC 10 checks. Also the old take 20 rule is still present in the form: assume characters eventually succeed if there is enough time and an actual chance to succeed at the task. So someone with just str 10 can climb DC20 walls given enough time. 2. I think using athletics and str to balance is stretching it a bit far. We have come to such a challenge. And the solution was quite simple: the rogue used the fallen tree trunk to cross the chasm. The barbarian just climbed down and up on the other side. I think it is a bit lazy to have everyone use the same soultion for a different problem. At that point, just fold dex and str into a single stat and call it a day.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="UngeheuerLich, post: 9231577, member: 59057"] 1. DC 10 checks never get irrelevant. DC goes not up per level. Ever raising them is a relict of the past and actually hurts martial characters overall, as they fall more and more behind. At some point, martials with +9 in a check should just succeed. Also, there is aoptional rule in the DMG that allows every proficient character to succeed a DC 10 checks. Also the old take 20 rule is still present in the form: assume characters eventually succeed if there is enough time and an actual chance to succeed at the task. So someone with just str 10 can climb DC20 walls given enough time. 2. I think using athletics and str to balance is stretching it a bit far. We have come to such a challenge. And the solution was quite simple: the rogue used the fallen tree trunk to cross the chasm. The barbarian just climbed down and up on the other side. I think it is a bit lazy to have everyone use the same soultion for a different problem. At that point, just fold dex and str into a single stat and call it a day. [/QUOTE]

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