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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9232331" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>I stood on top of the wall, I wasn't hanging off of it. </p><p></p><p>Next fight, near the same wall, the DM <em><strong>required</strong></em> all of us to be on the ground, under penalty of our allies on the wall turning on us.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Was the DM morally wrong? No. But there was no slippery surface, and it was a normal, if tall, brick wall. And that doesn't explain climbing checks for trees, which again, not slippery, not lacking handholds. </p><p></p><p>But this is similar to asking for an arcana check to attune to a magical item, or a strength check to jump a 5 ft gap when you have a strength higher than five. Technically, the DM isn't <strong><em>wrong</em></strong> to ask for those, but it seems punitive to force characters into rolls that they are not otherwise required to make. Especially when the DM approved my using a ranger with a climb speed, then seemed shocked that my archer with a climb speed would want to climb things and shoot them with a bow. </p><p></p><p>And let's take your assertion just one step away from PCs. Low Strength, climb speed, a cat statblock has a -4 strength. Even if you assume a tree only has a Climb DC of 10, that still means that a cat would fail to climb a tree two-thirds of the time. Cats, famous for being able to climb into trees, would largely be unable to climb into trees. That doesn't make a ton of sense. Same with lizards, many of whom climb rocky cliff faces consistently, and would be unable to do so.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9232331, member: 6801228"] I stood on top of the wall, I wasn't hanging off of it. Next fight, near the same wall, the DM [I][B]required[/B][/I] all of us to be on the ground, under penalty of our allies on the wall turning on us. Was the DM morally wrong? No. But there was no slippery surface, and it was a normal, if tall, brick wall. And that doesn't explain climbing checks for trees, which again, not slippery, not lacking handholds. But this is similar to asking for an arcana check to attune to a magical item, or a strength check to jump a 5 ft gap when you have a strength higher than five. Technically, the DM isn't [B][I]wrong[/I][/B] to ask for those, but it seems punitive to force characters into rolls that they are not otherwise required to make. Especially when the DM approved my using a ranger with a climb speed, then seemed shocked that my archer with a climb speed would want to climb things and shoot them with a bow. And let's take your assertion just one step away from PCs. Low Strength, climb speed, a cat statblock has a -4 strength. Even if you assume a tree only has a Climb DC of 10, that still means that a cat would fail to climb a tree two-thirds of the time. Cats, famous for being able to climb into trees, would largely be unable to climb into trees. That doesn't make a ton of sense. Same with lizards, many of whom climb rocky cliff faces consistently, and would be unable to do so. [/QUOTE]
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