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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9233346" data-attributes="member: 6801228">So why don't people have DC checks to get through difficult terrain? The rules for Difficult terrain are exactly as open-ended. So are the rules for normal movement. Here's the thing, I've played in a lot of groups where people have had athletics to climb. None of them went for 3-D movement. It isn't until they have flight or I've explicitly told people that climbing is fine that people start going for it. Is that the fault of the rules? I don't think so, because people have tried to break items and those rules aren't even in the PHB. The thing is, the vast majority of tables have run like your second example. Half speed, with an athletics check, and failure means failing and taking damage. It is so restrictive that most players have been disincentivized from even trying. I don't care if it drains all the excitement out of it to just let people with a climb speed climb, because right now there is no excitement because no one dares to attempt to climb. They wait til they have a non-check way to move in 3-Dimensions. Giving them another, worse way of doing so is just going to let them achieve things easier and faster, without teleporting or flying.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9233346, member: 6801228"] So why don't people have DC checks to get through difficult terrain? The rules for Difficult terrain are exactly as open-ended. So are the rules for normal movement. Here's the thing, I've played in a lot of groups where people have had athletics to climb. None of them went for 3-D movement. It isn't until they have flight or I've explicitly told people that climbing is fine that people start going for it. Is that the fault of the rules? I don't think so, because people have tried to break items and those rules aren't even in the PHB. The thing is, the vast majority of tables have run like your second example. Half speed, with an athletics check, and failure means failing and taking damage. It is so restrictive that most players have been disincentivized from even trying. I don't care if it drains all the excitement out of it to just let people with a climb speed climb, because right now there is no excitement because no one dares to attempt to climb. They wait til they have a non-check way to move in 3-Dimensions. Giving them another, worse way of doing so is just going to let them achieve things easier and faster, without teleporting or flying. [/QUOTE]

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