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<blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 9239816" data-attributes="member: 59057">So you don't play by the actual rules... This is good to know when talking aboit balance of the game. In 3e, it took a time to realize that lock picking was expected to just use take 20. And suddenly a lot of preassure was taken from the rogue. And people with cross class skills suddenly could reasonably use their abilities in a useful manner. No rogue? We don't get in within seconds, but give us some time and it works. And as a very unproficient lockpicker: I have picked a regular lock with two paper clips and a you tube video for help and enough time (take 20). And now I have a hobby lockpicking set and practiced a bit and I can open a simple lock way faster, but not always in an instant (bonus not high enough to take 10, but good enough to make it somewhat reliable). Not once has my previously failed attempt prevented me from trying again with the hobby picks. Even my paperclips only broke once or twice.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="UngeheuerLich, post: 9239816, member: 59057"] So you don't play by the actual rules... This is good to know when talking aboit balance of the game. In 3e, it took a time to realize that lock picking was expected to just use take 20. And suddenly a lot of preassure was taken from the rogue. And people with cross class skills suddenly could reasonably use their abilities in a useful manner. No rogue? We don't get in within seconds, but give us some time and it works. And as a very unproficient lockpicker: I have picked a regular lock with two paper clips and a you tube video for help and enough time (take 20). And now I have a hobby lockpicking set and practiced a bit and I can open a simple lock way faster, but not always in an instant (bonus not high enough to take 10, but good enough to make it somewhat reliable). Not once has my previously failed attempt prevented me from trying again with the hobby picks. Even my paperclips only broke once or twice. [/QUOTE]

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