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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 9240020" data-attributes="member: 2525">Telling someone on a rules part of the message board that they don't play by the rules is pretty aggressive for an opening comment to them, don't you think?The rules say you can 1) roll if there is a chance of failure or, 2) simply pass without a roll with a passive check if a roll of 10 plus your modifier would succeed, or 3) simply pass without a roll if enough attempts would eventually succeed and you take ten times as long to do the task. Only situation #1 calls for a roll. Situation 2 and 3 call for no roll. We were discussing a player rolling. So it has to be a situation where a failure is a failure.  Otherwise, why was a roll called for?</blockquote>