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<blockquote data-quote="alaric" data-source="post: 3727801" data-attributes="member: 296">I've got the think that Leader is a healer role.&nbsp; When they introduced to concept of character roles one of the primary examples is the &quot;who is going to play the cleric&quot; problem.&nbsp; They specifically mentioned druid should be able to heal as well as a cleric, so I've got to think druid is the second Leader.&nbsp; If Warlord is the second Leader, and Druids are controllers, then there isn't a true healer role at all (unless Warlords can heal by some mechanism, and frequently enough that they can be the primary healer for the group).&nbsp; Then you could end up with a party composed of 1 of each role, and no healer, which would defeat the whole reason for having roles in the first place.At this point we have &quot;confirmed&quot; 8 core classes in the PHB, and we have more than 8 &quot;confirmed&quot; classes.&nbsp; My guess is they have about 15 total classes right now (the high end of the initial max characters quote), which they are whittling down to 8.&nbsp; There are probably some that are pretty much guaranteed, some that are on the bubble, and some that are on their last breath.&nbsp; I would guess that Warlord is on the bubble.&nbsp; We know about it only from a screenshot which they didn't appear to release on purpose.&nbsp; If they weren't talking about him then either they weren't sure he was going to make the cut, or they wanted him to be a surprise.&nbsp; Furthermore, the guess as to his role is &quot;support&quot;, something that doesn't fit into any of the roles as we know them (unless controller could be considered a supporting role).&nbsp; You could rip out some of those tactical/leader/support type abilities and turn them into feats.&nbsp; Then you could just as easily have a wizard leader as a martial one.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="alaric, post: 3727801, member: 296"] I've got the think that Leader is a healer role. When they introduced to concept of character roles one of the primary examples is the "who is going to play the cleric" problem. They specifically mentioned druid should be able to heal as well as a cleric, so I've got to think druid is the second Leader. If Warlord is the second Leader, and Druids are controllers, then there isn't a true healer role at all (unless Warlords can heal by some mechanism, and frequently enough that they can be the primary healer for the group). Then you could end up with a party composed of 1 of each role, and no healer, which would defeat the whole reason for having roles in the first place. At this point we have "confirmed" 8 core classes in the PHB, and we have more than 8 "confirmed" classes. My guess is they have about 15 total classes right now (the high end of the initial max characters quote), which they are whittling down to 8. There are probably some that are pretty much guaranteed, some that are on the bubble, and some that are on their last breath. I would guess that Warlord is on the bubble. We know about it only from a screenshot which they didn't appear to release on purpose. If they weren't talking about him then either they weren't sure he was going to make the cut, or they wanted him to be a surprise. Furthermore, the guess as to his role is "support", something that doesn't fit into any of the roles as we know them (unless controller could be considered a supporting role). You could rip out some of those tactical/leader/support type abilities and turn them into feats. Then you could just as easily have a wizard leader as a martial one. [/QUOTE]

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