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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8950783" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Okay, better question. However, are we talking about Druids or are we talking about Moon Druids? Because there is a distinctive difference here. Normal Druids can get a decent amount of HP, but they have to use their action, and they certainly aren't effective in combat after that point. Level 11, turning into a Tiger, can net you in theory an extra 74 hp, but you also have a 12 AC which means you are hit every single turn, and you have a +5 to hit, dealing 8 damage. Put that up against an Adult White, and it isn't even fair. The dragon will rip through you without you being effective in the slightest. You will change, lose shape and take damage, change, lose shape and take damage and sure you've survived three rounds but you have accomplished nothing. And you aren't a big enough threat for the Dragon to ignore your allies. Barbarian meanwhile IS being effective in that fight and therefore drawing attention.Now, Moon Druid, different story. They can be far more effective. But now we are asking "why can't there be a subclass that is highly effective as a tank" just like there are subclasses that are casters or healers.</blockquote>