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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8954550" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I can easily see how this made it to live testing. 1) They were told to plan this for the Moon Druid. This obscures how bad an action wildshape is for combat, as even many of the discussions we have had on this thread have slipped easily into just assuming moon druid2) They were told to test Wildshape, so they did not consider the non-wildshape options. This is an obvious problem, but not one that defies understanding. They were given a focus of "druids are all about wildshape" and that is what they created. It is only through us, who were not given that mandate, that this is so glaringly a problem. 3) They were told that the Druid had too much hp, and that they had to not only keep the druid simple, but reduce their effective hp from wildshape. They did both of those things. Is any of this good execution? Nope. This is terrible, but I can see how something this terrible made it to us, because I can see where you could get blinders on if you were working towards specific goals. I hear and agree with your frustrations, I'm just seeing a different tact. I'm seeing a lot of people saying that templates are a good idea. The idea of having two or three generic statblocks for wildshape makes a lot of sense to me. The numbers on those statblocks and the levels you get those statblocks, that needs to be changed. But the core idea makes a lot of sense. To give a counter-theory of warlock, we all kind of agree that we want Eldritch Blast to just be a class feature instead of a cantrip. That just makes sense for Warlocks. But, if they release it and it is a class feature that has half the range, only does 1d6 + mod damage, and requires spell slots for special effects... well, we are all going to agree that that specific version sucks, but many people are still going to say "we want Eldritch Blast to be a class feature, not a cantrip" because the specific implementation of the idea doesn't have to mean the idea gets canned entirely.</blockquote>

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