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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8956224" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>This was one of the worst rules EVER to try and adjudicate. </p><p></p><p>1) What does it mean to have seen an animal? If you have a teacher who turns into that animal, is it good enough? What if you have seen detailed anatomical sketches of them? Illusions of them?</p><p></p><p>2) Why do species with longer lifespans get to be more versatile druids? It isn't hard to say you are an elf druid who has lived with a nomadic druidic circle for the last 150 years, and they will have certainly seen more animals than an 18 year old human who lived in the same forest for three years after a terrible accident. Making people far more likely to twist backstories into giving them this access than any balance.</p><p></p><p>3) It requires the DM to do something no other class has ever required. Lock down the biodiversity of their world and locations. Dinosaurs are in the books, are they in the great plains, or locked on a single isle? I know the druid player is going to get told "talk to your DM" but the DM then has to either make on the fly decisions or have looked over the ENTIRE selection of all beasts, and taken a map and determined where those beasts could have possibly been seen. All for... really no purpose. </p><p></p><p>4) This is a limit not given to other, similiar, things. No one asks if the Wizard has seen a pheonix before to allow them to make an illusion of one. No one asks the bard if they have seen a Giant Ape to allow them to polymorph into one. And on and on and on, but we want to nail down whether the druid has ever seen a Polar Bear before allowing them to turn into one? Why?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8956224, member: 6801228"] This was one of the worst rules EVER to try and adjudicate. 1) What does it mean to have seen an animal? If you have a teacher who turns into that animal, is it good enough? What if you have seen detailed anatomical sketches of them? Illusions of them? 2) Why do species with longer lifespans get to be more versatile druids? It isn't hard to say you are an elf druid who has lived with a nomadic druidic circle for the last 150 years, and they will have certainly seen more animals than an 18 year old human who lived in the same forest for three years after a terrible accident. Making people far more likely to twist backstories into giving them this access than any balance. 3) It requires the DM to do something no other class has ever required. Lock down the biodiversity of their world and locations. Dinosaurs are in the books, are they in the great plains, or locked on a single isle? I know the druid player is going to get told "talk to your DM" but the DM then has to either make on the fly decisions or have looked over the ENTIRE selection of all beasts, and taken a map and determined where those beasts could have possibly been seen. All for... really no purpose. 4) This is a limit not given to other, similiar, things. No one asks if the Wizard has seen a pheonix before to allow them to make an illusion of one. No one asks the bard if they have seen a Giant Ape to allow them to polymorph into one. And on and on and on, but we want to nail down whether the druid has ever seen a Polar Bear before allowing them to turn into one? Why? [/QUOTE]
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