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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Savage Wombat" data-source="post: 5838319" data-attributes="member: 1932">I need a little more complexity from a skill system.Example:  a long time ago, in a sorta-homebrewed system, my wife wrote up a human pilot character (SF).  She invested a lot of points into achieving the highest level of piloting skill she could purchase - it got more expensive as you bought more ranks.Another character turned out to be just as good a pilot as she with minimal expenditure, just because his race allowed him a much higher controlling stat.  So I had plenty of time to think about what was wrong with this.I decided it was the all-encompassing roll against a target number.  Having a better stat should make him a better pilot than an equally-trained human, but the extra training should count for something, right?So, and this relates to mastery tiers in the poll, I figured that there should be some cutoff of difficulty where a lesser character can't even TRY to do something.  So that, for a D&D example, you can't try to make a masterwork sword with just basic smithing skill, you need at least the second tier of mastery.  THEN you can make your skill check.  So a dwarf may be really good at smithing, but he still needs to be a MASTER smith to compete with a human master.'But this may be too complicated for what WotC is looking for here.</blockquote>