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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 5841311" data-attributes="member: 63508">4e did have a low number problem. The part of the base was the level bonus that everyone got. The other part is the +5 for training, +3 for focus, or +2 for race.Since most PCs ran 16 at least on primaries, the ability bonus negated the racial or focus gap. And once they hit 20, the trained gap was negated as well. So a 20 wisdom character spots better than perceptive races, classes, and experts with 10 wisdom regardless of fluff. To make a character noticeably better you'd have to combine aspects to bypass the need for high stats. Though it was bottom to bad since trained was +5.4e real issue was the low amount of class skills and the only method to get more being using feats. But in 4e, anyone with the right primary or training could make the DC no matter how silly.Stat swapping just adds more to my concern. When PCs start letting the 20 Str half orc barbarian start punch-disarming traps....</blockquote>