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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8035281" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>No. Absolutely not. To do so would be completely unacceptable.</p><p></p><p>We must not have read the same statement. He didn't come across that way at all to me, just as someone who was hurting and speaking the truth as they know it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm skeptical that any method would have been found acceptable.</p><p></p><p>That isn't how this stuff works. We aren't jurors. Hard evidence is hard to come by. A lack of hard evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen, or that reasonable people shouldn't believe him.</p><p></p><p>They literally said, explicitly, in their statement, that they have no intention of working in rpgs again.</p><p></p><p>As they should.</p><p></p><p>We aren't in court. The legal meaning is irrelevant, we are discussing things in their colloquial meanings.</p><p></p><p>I'm completely certain they don't care about your disapproval. They're handling this exactly as they intend to, judging by their various statements. </p><p>They're risking blacklisting and a return to poverty in order to bring light to a toxic and potentially racist leadership culture at the most important company in tabletop rpg gaming. I don't think that concern trolling and tone policing them is good thing.</p><p></p><p>The only people who made a big deal of them being hired were racists mad about it and normal people excited about it. Wotc announced the hire, just like they have with most talent hires that aren't DnD vets returning to the fold in the last few years.</p><p></p><p>Damn right. Civility is, frankly, a tool of those who benefit most from the status quo.</p><p></p><p>We also have Tito not only apologizing to him, but genuinely risking his job to make public statements on twitter about how the company needs to change, how he has been telling leadership that for ages, and how what went down with Orion isn't right. </p><p></p><p>I wouldn't be surprised if some likes got taken back to avoid corporate reprisal, but I also saw many wotc employees names in the likes for Tito's tweets, and Orion's. </p><p></p><p>Not to mention that this isn't the first time anyone has made the same kind of claims about wotc's leadership.</p><p></p><p>No, it isn't. By far. </p><p></p><p>At worst, the comments on a tweet from a public figure can be <em>as bad</em> as the old wotc forums were for the last year or two they were open. </p><p></p><p>The only way I could possibly take this idea seriously is by hyperfocusing on the nazis on twitter. That's it. I mean, maybe if I were really sensitive to swearing?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 8035281, member: 6704184"] No. Absolutely not. To do so would be completely unacceptable. We must not have read the same statement. He didn't come across that way at all to me, just as someone who was hurting and speaking the truth as they know it. I'm skeptical that any method would have been found acceptable. That isn't how this stuff works. We aren't jurors. Hard evidence is hard to come by. A lack of hard evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen, or that reasonable people shouldn't believe him. They literally said, explicitly, in their statement, that they have no intention of working in rpgs again. As they should. We aren't in court. The legal meaning is irrelevant, we are discussing things in their colloquial meanings. I'm completely certain they don't care about your disapproval. They're handling this exactly as they intend to, judging by their various statements. They're risking blacklisting and a return to poverty in order to bring light to a toxic and potentially racist leadership culture at the most important company in tabletop rpg gaming. I don't think that concern trolling and tone policing them is good thing. The only people who made a big deal of them being hired were racists mad about it and normal people excited about it. Wotc announced the hire, just like they have with most talent hires that aren't DnD vets returning to the fold in the last few years. Damn right. Civility is, frankly, a tool of those who benefit most from the status quo. We also have Tito not only apologizing to him, but genuinely risking his job to make public statements on twitter about how the company needs to change, how he has been telling leadership that for ages, and how what went down with Orion isn't right. I wouldn't be surprised if some likes got taken back to avoid corporate reprisal, but I also saw many wotc employees names in the likes for Tito's tweets, and Orion's. Not to mention that this isn't the first time anyone has made the same kind of claims about wotc's leadership. No, it isn't. By far. At worst, the comments on a tweet from a public figure can be [I]as bad[/I] as the old wotc forums were for the last year or two they were open. The only way I could possibly take this idea seriously is by hyperfocusing on the nazis on twitter. That's it. I mean, maybe if I were really sensitive to swearing? [/QUOTE]
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