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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 7690275" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>They're not an aspect of the Fighter, though, they're just an aspect of the Battle Master, and they're not an aspect of any other martial subclass.</p><p></p><p>And now that we have it, I think a fighter subclass that wants to use SD needs to figure out how it is NOT a Battle Master. </p><p></p><p>I'm not sure these do it. Their SD options are essentially maneuvers. Shades of "all SD classes play the same."</p><p></p><p>There's ways to do it. Like, spellcasting is fairly ubiquitous, but wizard spellcasting and sorcerer spellcasting manage to be distinct. You could do similar things with SD (maybe Scouts recover SD when they move, 3e-style. Maybe Cavaliers recover SD when they charge! Mearl's <em>Iron Heroes</em> and 3e's <em>Book of Nine Swords</em> aren't bad places to loot for these mechanics!). </p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, I think it's related to the problem of "Concrete Meaning" (as discussed at length in <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?472788-Do-Classes-Have-Concrete-Meaning-In-Your-Game/page65" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?472788-Do-Classes-Have-Concrete-Meaning-In-Your-Game/page65</a>). Fighters and their subclasses have little "Concrete Meaning," in contrast to many 5e classes. To a certain degree, I'm sure this was intentional - people expect the fighter to be a flexible class, to represent many different character types, and the 5e fighter delivers on that, at the expense of being "generic." </p><p></p><p>I like the idea of subclasses with more concrete meaning, I just don't want them to be BM knock-offs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 7690275, member: 2067"] They're not an aspect of the Fighter, though, they're just an aspect of the Battle Master, and they're not an aspect of any other martial subclass. And now that we have it, I think a fighter subclass that wants to use SD needs to figure out how it is NOT a Battle Master. I'm not sure these do it. Their SD options are essentially maneuvers. Shades of "all SD classes play the same." There's ways to do it. Like, spellcasting is fairly ubiquitous, but wizard spellcasting and sorcerer spellcasting manage to be distinct. You could do similar things with SD (maybe Scouts recover SD when they move, 3e-style. Maybe Cavaliers recover SD when they charge! Mearl's [I]Iron Heroes[/I] and 3e's [I]Book of Nine Swords[/I] aren't bad places to loot for these mechanics!). Yeah, I think it's related to the problem of "Concrete Meaning" (as discussed at length in [url]http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?472788-Do-Classes-Have-Concrete-Meaning-In-Your-Game/page65[/url]). Fighters and their subclasses have little "Concrete Meaning," in contrast to many 5e classes. To a certain degree, I'm sure this was intentional - people expect the fighter to be a flexible class, to represent many different character types, and the 5e fighter delivers on that, at the expense of being "generic." I like the idea of subclasses with more concrete meaning, I just don't want them to be BM knock-offs. [/QUOTE]
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