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<blockquote data-quote="thethain" data-source="post: 7127161" data-attributes="member: 6874561">A few things.1. You are correct, you do not ready actions until you have rolled initiative. 2. Without darkvision, the torchlight around the corner is still dim light and visible from however far the PCs can naturally see. (but its bright for those with darkvision within 60feet of it so obviously easier to see, but seeing blackness turn to dancing shadows is also a very obvious change) so theres a good chance the pcs in back would have noticed the light as well.3. How I would have handled that exact scenario? If you ready an action. You roll initiative. Because your characters think there is combat about to happen. The NPCs and players in back are surprised. So they do nothing on the first round of combat, but the two wanting to ready actions can then ready their actions when their initiative hits.Next round, the bad guys move into sight and readied actions fire. Depending on the order of initiative, the ready guys might have to ready again, effectively losing their surprise round.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="thethain, post: 7127161, member: 6874561"] A few things. 1. You are correct, you do not ready actions until you have rolled initiative. 2. Without darkvision, the torchlight around the corner is still dim light and visible from however far the PCs can naturally see. (but its bright for those with darkvision within 60feet of it so obviously easier to see, but seeing blackness turn to dancing shadows is also a very obvious change) so theres a good chance the pcs in back would have noticed the light as well. 3. How I would have handled that exact scenario? [B]If you ready an action. You roll initiative.[/B] Because your characters think there is combat about to happen. The NPCs and players in back are surprised. So they do nothing on the first round of combat, but the two wanting to ready actions can then ready their actions when their initiative hits.Next round, the bad guys move into sight and readied actions fire. Depending on the order of initiative, the ready guys might have to ready again, effectively losing their surprise round. [/QUOTE]

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