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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fireinthedust" data-source="post: 5140575" data-attributes="member: 51930">EDIT:  Aaaaand I saw your post count... so I'm guessing enough to know most of what I said. Both this and the other thread cover things fairly well.  I think it assumes that you and your group can have fun as well as crunch numbers.  Especially with your kids, you know to wing it. However, I disagree that Batman would be (at best) PL10.  He's not super, but he has a higher than average capacity to do a lot of things.  I think his modifiers are just plain high.  Like an Epic-level Rogue in D&D: you've got someone with really high skills, that's all.  He can be done at lower PLs, but those stats could also stand for Robin, Nightwing or Batgirl.  He's the higher level version of the vigilante.     I'd pump his stats up to the human maximum (about 20) and then give him increased modifiers due to Feats and Skills.   PL20 is typically reseved not for Superman (who could be PL10, if you wanted, but usually PL16 is the cap), but for Darkseid, Thanos, Galactus and other Cosmic beings.  If you were going by levels, that is. Then again, PL is more about the modifiers than the actual character level, so you can have a PL20 Batman and have him, with all realism, destroyed by a PL10 party.  There's no automatic modifier increase as you go up in level; it's all dependent upon the points being put into the stats.  So, really, you could have a PL20 character with a Toughness score (which is basically your HP and your AC mixed together: how hard it is to damage you) of zero, or even -4, if you don't put points into relevant stats.  And you can (with I think about 80pp?) make a PL1 character immune to all damage of any kind.  Here's another issue with M&M:  no miniatures!   You're not going to have minis on a battle map like D&D.  You're can put them down, but once you have flying and flash-like super speed, they can go outside of a map and back in the same round.        so have them, sure, but be prepared to have characters off it all the time.</blockquote>

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