Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
News Digest: Tomb of Annihilation, D&D Beyond, Saving Throw Show, Critical Role, Origins Awards, War
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Abstruse" data-source="post: 7718777" data-attributes="member: 6669048"><p>Speaking of "gross mischaracterization", there is a distinct difference with what the pre-Paradox White Wolf did and what Paradox is doing now. Let's make a list.</p><p></p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Mature content was marked as such on the front and back covers of books, and many White Wolf releases were shipped polybagged due to the mature content.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Content that was too disturbing for even R-rated motion pictures was published by a subsidiary company called Black Dog Publishing, not through the main corporate name of White Wolf Publishing.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">This is material that makes up the base core mechanics of the game, meaning this is the "core rulebook" material. Specifically, this is the base "Hunger" mechanic that replaces the Blood Pools and the responses are specific to core Camarilla Clans such as Ventrue and Toreador.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">There are no mature content warnings whatsoever, either on the website or in the playtest material. It's "Surprise! Sexual Assault is a core mechanic now! And we even went out of our way to point out that consent is not required!"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">One of the default, pre-generated player characters is - as written by the developers - a pedophile and child serial killer. I'd use direct quotes but, again, I can't because of the forum rules of EN World.</li> </ol><p></p><p>So no, this is not the same as what White Wolf did as an independent company or after merging with CCP, not is it the same as what Onyx Path or By Night Studios has done with their licenses on the material.</p><p></p><p>Don't believe me? Think I'm exaggerating or overreacting? The playtest is free to download from the links in the EN World article in my column and is available on Drive Thru for free. But don't do it on your work computer or on any monitored device and, if you have legal restrictions either due to your country's laws or for any other reason. I just figure it's fair to give such warnings since Paradox has decided not to.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Abstruse, post: 7718777, member: 6669048"] Speaking of "gross mischaracterization", there is a distinct difference with what the pre-Paradox White Wolf did and what Paradox is doing now. Let's make a list. [LIST=1] [*]Mature content was marked as such on the front and back covers of books, and many White Wolf releases were shipped polybagged due to the mature content. [*]Content that was too disturbing for even R-rated motion pictures was published by a subsidiary company called Black Dog Publishing, not through the main corporate name of White Wolf Publishing. [*]This is material that makes up the base core mechanics of the game, meaning this is the "core rulebook" material. Specifically, this is the base "Hunger" mechanic that replaces the Blood Pools and the responses are specific to core Camarilla Clans such as Ventrue and Toreador. [*]There are no mature content warnings whatsoever, either on the website or in the playtest material. It's "Surprise! Sexual Assault is a core mechanic now! And we even went out of our way to point out that consent is not required!" [*]One of the default, pre-generated player characters is - as written by the developers - a pedophile and child serial killer. I'd use direct quotes but, again, I can't because of the forum rules of EN World. [/LIST] So no, this is not the same as what White Wolf did as an independent company or after merging with CCP, not is it the same as what Onyx Path or By Night Studios has done with their licenses on the material. Don't believe me? Think I'm exaggerating or overreacting? The playtest is free to download from the links in the EN World article in my column and is available on Drive Thru for free. But don't do it on your work computer or on any monitored device and, if you have legal restrictions either due to your country's laws or for any other reason. I just figure it's fair to give such warnings since Paradox has decided not to. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
News Digest: Tomb of Annihilation, D&D Beyond, Saving Throw Show, Critical Role, Origins Awards, War
Top