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<blockquote data-quote="Kyle Henderson" data-source="post: 7718795" data-attributes="member: 6891266"><p> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"></li> </ol><p></p><p>You are still exaggerating. Exactly ONE book was polybagged: the first Tzimisce clanbook. It was polybagged SPECIFICALLY to obscure the image on the back cover. Later publishing of the same book simply used a sticker and was not bagged. It is also of note that this book was not under the Black Dog header. </p><p></p><p>Speaking of which, the Black Dog imprint wasn't "harder-than-R" material by any stretch, excepting mayyyyybe the Formori book. It was harder than what was "normal" by game standards at the time, but the industry was pretty SFW in general. White Wolf dropped the imprint after a bit because they realized it wasn't pushing boundaries they couldn't get away with in the main line. The Black Dog phase is honestly more akin to when comics started dropping the Comics Code and just doing what they want. </p><p></p><p>You also seem to be either omitting the fact that this is merely a small piece of the rules being introduced and playtested, or you are simply ignorant of it. You call out that Humanity is gone, implying with tone that the game has somehow lost its way completely and is all about grossly immoral action that players are absolutely forced to do no matter what. Nobody knows what the morality system will look like because that wasn't part of this yet. This was simply to see if people liked the way hunger works. You also seem to be assuming that everything as written is a "must" as if players and game masters don't have a say in what material makes it to the table.</p><p></p><p>I have met the guys on this creative team many times now. I will grant you that, yes, they go dark. They also prefer a more intense deep dive experiences in their LARP as well, using Nordic style rules. I fully expect the new White Wolf to be a shade more dark than people are used to. On the other hand, your reporting of this carries a misinformed and biased tone, focusing on some questionable content to the exclusion of anything else. That is a failure of reporting on any level. If you were merely making a serious and simple content warning, I could understand. However, your tone was off, and your comments in the thread further push your viewpoint into being strongly slanted. You are presenting opinions and misplaced facts, and yes- exaggerating.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kyle Henderson, post: 7718795, member: 6891266"] [LIST=1] [/LIST] You are still exaggerating. Exactly ONE book was polybagged: the first Tzimisce clanbook. It was polybagged SPECIFICALLY to obscure the image on the back cover. Later publishing of the same book simply used a sticker and was not bagged. It is also of note that this book was not under the Black Dog header. Speaking of which, the Black Dog imprint wasn't "harder-than-R" material by any stretch, excepting mayyyyybe the Formori book. It was harder than what was "normal" by game standards at the time, but the industry was pretty SFW in general. White Wolf dropped the imprint after a bit because they realized it wasn't pushing boundaries they couldn't get away with in the main line. The Black Dog phase is honestly more akin to when comics started dropping the Comics Code and just doing what they want. You also seem to be either omitting the fact that this is merely a small piece of the rules being introduced and playtested, or you are simply ignorant of it. You call out that Humanity is gone, implying with tone that the game has somehow lost its way completely and is all about grossly immoral action that players are absolutely forced to do no matter what. Nobody knows what the morality system will look like because that wasn't part of this yet. This was simply to see if people liked the way hunger works. You also seem to be assuming that everything as written is a "must" as if players and game masters don't have a say in what material makes it to the table. I have met the guys on this creative team many times now. I will grant you that, yes, they go dark. They also prefer a more intense deep dive experiences in their LARP as well, using Nordic style rules. I fully expect the new White Wolf to be a shade more dark than people are used to. On the other hand, your reporting of this carries a misinformed and biased tone, focusing on some questionable content to the exclusion of anything else. That is a failure of reporting on any level. If you were merely making a serious and simple content warning, I could understand. However, your tone was off, and your comments in the thread further push your viewpoint into being strongly slanted. You are presenting opinions and misplaced facts, and yes- exaggerating. [/QUOTE]
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