Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
News Digest: Tomb of Annihilation, D&D Beyond, Saving Throw Show, Critical Role, Origins Awards, War
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Dire Bare" data-source="post: 7718805" data-attributes="member: 18182"><p>For someone who doesn't have a lot of time and energy for pointless arguments, you sure have a lot of posts in this thread on this "pointless argument." And all refuting someone's honest reaction to the playtest material, and their warning that others MIGHT also find it offensive. You say, "make your own decision about it" and then slam Abstruse for doing just that. Incredibly tone deaf and hypocritical dude, and not cool.</p><p></p><p>I agree that if you are interested in Vampire and curious about the playtest of the new edition, you should download the packet and make your own judgement. Vampire has been around for decades, has a lot of fans, and is an important game in the larger RPG scene. So, I did. Not that I needed anybody to tell me I could do so. But I agree with Abstruse, I wouldn't recommend doing it at work or school. The playtest packet definitely needs a "for mature players only" warning or some such.</p><p></p><p>Back in the day, I wasn't a Vampire uber-fan with a complete collection of all of the books, but I collected, read, and played quite a few of them with my friends in the '90s. It's been a while, and my memory might not be so great, but . . . . . I don't remember anything this bad. The playtest rules and scenario shocked me, upset me, and made me want to stay far away from the 5th edition of Vampire. It's a pre-alpha playtest, so admittedly the document is very rough. And they are quite clear at the beginning that this is a real playtest, in the sense that anything in the documents might change. God, I hope so.</p><p></p><p>There is a lot of cursing and foul language in the document, not so much in character dialogue, but in scene/character descriptions and the rules. I know not everyone will be bothered by this, but it makes the game come across immature and unprofessional, to me at least. There's been criticism about the designers making the game "too real" by referencing real world politics, but these attempts seemed forced to me and not organic, like they are tying to hard to be "real" and "edgy." And, it might just be my own mindset or the rough nature of the playtest draft, but a lot of racial references came across as some degree of racist, callous, or insensitive to me. And then there is the pre-generated Ventrue character "Mel", the "connoisseur of the young". Ick. Yeah, it's pretty damn clear in her character description that "connoisseur" is code for "vampire pedophile." To be fair, it seems that only the Ventrue characters have "feeding restrictions", and other other Ventrue PC for the scenario has a different one, "vegans", so not all player generated Ventrue PCs will be pedophiles. But still, this choice is messed up . . . in my opinion, of course.</p><p></p><p>Although I don't get the chance to play Vampire any more, I did happily throw down cash for the V20 edition from Onyx Path. If the new White Wolf doesn't town down their "edgy darkness" by several thousand degrees, I'll be sticking with V20 and ignoring V5 if I ever do manage to get a new Vampire game started. Certainly won't be paying to own a book as tone deaf and offensive as this playtest document is . . . . again, all in my opinion.</p><p></p><p>Ick.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dire Bare, post: 7718805, member: 18182"] For someone who doesn't have a lot of time and energy for pointless arguments, you sure have a lot of posts in this thread on this "pointless argument." And all refuting someone's honest reaction to the playtest material, and their warning that others MIGHT also find it offensive. You say, "make your own decision about it" and then slam Abstruse for doing just that. Incredibly tone deaf and hypocritical dude, and not cool. I agree that if you are interested in Vampire and curious about the playtest of the new edition, you should download the packet and make your own judgement. Vampire has been around for decades, has a lot of fans, and is an important game in the larger RPG scene. So, I did. Not that I needed anybody to tell me I could do so. But I agree with Abstruse, I wouldn't recommend doing it at work or school. The playtest packet definitely needs a "for mature players only" warning or some such. Back in the day, I wasn't a Vampire uber-fan with a complete collection of all of the books, but I collected, read, and played quite a few of them with my friends in the '90s. It's been a while, and my memory might not be so great, but . . . . . I don't remember anything this bad. The playtest rules and scenario shocked me, upset me, and made me want to stay far away from the 5th edition of Vampire. It's a pre-alpha playtest, so admittedly the document is very rough. And they are quite clear at the beginning that this is a real playtest, in the sense that anything in the documents might change. God, I hope so. There is a lot of cursing and foul language in the document, not so much in character dialogue, but in scene/character descriptions and the rules. I know not everyone will be bothered by this, but it makes the game come across immature and unprofessional, to me at least. There's been criticism about the designers making the game "too real" by referencing real world politics, but these attempts seemed forced to me and not organic, like they are tying to hard to be "real" and "edgy." And, it might just be my own mindset or the rough nature of the playtest draft, but a lot of racial references came across as some degree of racist, callous, or insensitive to me. And then there is the pre-generated Ventrue character "Mel", the "connoisseur of the young". Ick. Yeah, it's pretty damn clear in her character description that "connoisseur" is code for "vampire pedophile." To be fair, it seems that only the Ventrue characters have "feeding restrictions", and other other Ventrue PC for the scenario has a different one, "vegans", so not all player generated Ventrue PCs will be pedophiles. But still, this choice is messed up . . . in my opinion, of course. Although I don't get the chance to play Vampire any more, I did happily throw down cash for the V20 edition from Onyx Path. If the new White Wolf doesn't town down their "edgy darkness" by several thousand degrees, I'll be sticking with V20 and ignoring V5 if I ever do manage to get a new Vampire game started. Certainly won't be paying to own a book as tone deaf and offensive as this playtest document is . . . . again, all in my opinion. Ick. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
News Digest: Tomb of Annihilation, D&D Beyond, Saving Throw Show, Critical Role, Origins Awards, War
Top