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<blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 3982657" data-attributes="member: 32164">Iron Heroes would only be a nonstarter if it insisted on including complete character creation rules and complete rules for play.Eliminate the chapter covering ability score bonuses, or the chapter covering, say, combat, and you couldn't run the game without a PHB. You could still have variant classes, new feats, variant races, and special subsystems for skills, challenges, stunts, handling damage, and so forth.There's plenty of variants of that kind in Thieves' World, The Black Company, Midnight and a hundred other products that were d20-compatible. And I'm sure anything that could be published under the d20-STL will be able to be published under the 4e license.Some companies in the 3e era thought they could make products that would sell better by using the looser OGL rather than the d20-STL, and they succeeded, but I imagine that releases like Spycraft, True 20, Castles &amp; Crusades and Arcana Evolved are precisely why the license has changed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JohnSnow, post: 3982657, member: 32164"] [i]Iron Heroes[/i] would only be a nonstarter if it insisted on including complete character creation rules and complete rules for play. Eliminate the chapter covering ability score bonuses, or the chapter covering, say, combat, and you couldn't run the game without a PHB. You could still have variant classes, new feats, variant races, and special subsystems for skills, challenges, stunts, handling damage, and so forth. There's plenty of variants of that kind in [i]Thieves' World, The Black Company, Midnight[/i] and a hundred other products that were d20-compatible. And I'm sure anything that could be published under the d20-STL will be able to be published under the 4e license. Some companies in the 3e era thought they could make products that would sell better by using the looser OGL rather than the d20-STL, and they succeeded, but I imagine that releases like [i]Spycraft, True 20, Castles & Crusades[/i] and [i]Arcana Evolved[/i] are precisely why the license has changed. [/QUOTE]

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