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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8109741" data-attributes="member: 42582">To add to [USER=16814]@Ovinomancer[/USER]'s reply: the No Dice, No Masters that [USER=99817]@chaochou[/USER] mentioned seems to draw pretty heavily from AW - at least, that's my conjecture based on the material presented so far as part of the Orbital Kickstarter.I watch BWHQ more closely than Lumpley, but I agree with your judgement about benchmarking!I've backed both the Torchbearer and Orbital Kickstarters. I'm not sure I'll ever play Torchbearer, but I really admire Luke Crane's design instincts and want to see what he's come up with.Orbital I hope to play with my group. It looks like it could be the first space-oriented sci-fi game since Traveller that I'm interested in. (Maybe I could also be interested in Alien, but I'm not sure I'm interested enough to spend on it and try and fit it into my group's schedule.)To bring this back to [USER=5142]@Aldarc[/USER]'s OP: I'm not sure that Torchbearer is a "next gen" game, except that - like BW and AW - it continues to model tight, thoughtful design.I know there have been systems prior to No Dice, No Masters that don't use a GM as such and instead distribute scene-framing responsibilities. But I don't have experience with those systems, and so am looking forward to seeing exactly how Orbital handles it. I don't think GM-less is going to be "next gen", given the dominance in RPGing of the "GM as stortyteller" model, but I think Orbital - a bit like BitD, maybe - might continue to show what varied stuff can be done by adapting basic ideas from AW.</blockquote>

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