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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 8848672" data-attributes="member: 7006">Yeah, probably druids and paladins, along with perhaps some Expert class updates as well for those features that scored poorly and they want to present new/different options.Wouldn't expect updates on weapons and armor... as Jeremy talked about a new system they were implementing to give more oomph for them, and that sounds like something that would appear with the Warrior packet.Having heard that idea from him though... it made we wonder if perhaps they are pivoting away from the Battlemaster and it being the only real subclass to use the Combat Maneuvers system-- into moving Maneuvers (or maneuver-like features) into the weapons themselves so that anyone who uses weapons can now use those maneuvers?&nbsp; Lots of us have often wondered why over the last 10 years that rogues, paladins, barbarians and the like never got the chance to use maneuvers as they seemed like something they might want to-- Rogues being able to Feint, Barbarians able to Goad, etc.&nbsp; If they instead put these things into individual weapons or weapon groups, it would let everyone have the opportunity to have better Trips, Ripostes and so forth.&nbsp; Anyone can use an Unarmed Strike to knock someone prone... but someone armed with a polearm can make a Trip maneuver attack and get bonuses to it (for example).Plus, they can then make the Fighter subclasses more story specific (like Samurai, Gladiator, Cavalier) rather than &quot;generic&quot; (like Champion and Battlemaster).&nbsp; But people can still get all their martial maneuver goodness if they want it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 8848672, member: 7006"] Yeah, probably druids and paladins, along with perhaps some Expert class updates as well for those features that scored poorly and they want to present new/different options. Wouldn't expect updates on weapons and armor... as Jeremy talked about a new system they were implementing to give more oomph for them, and that sounds like something that would appear with the Warrior packet. Having heard that idea from him though... it made we wonder if perhaps they are pivoting away from the Battlemaster and it being the only real subclass to use the Combat Maneuvers system-- into moving Maneuvers (or maneuver-like features) into the [I]weapons themselves[/I] so that anyone who uses weapons can now use those maneuvers? Lots of us have often wondered why over the last 10 years that rogues, paladins, barbarians and the like never got the chance to use maneuvers as they seemed like something they might want to-- Rogues being able to Feint, Barbarians able to Goad, etc. If they instead put these things into individual weapons or weapon groups, it would let everyone have the opportunity to have better Trips, Ripostes and so forth. Anyone can use an Unarmed Strike to knock someone prone... but someone armed with a polearm can make a Trip maneuver attack and get bonuses to it (for example). Plus, they can then make the Fighter subclasses more story specific (like Samurai, Gladiator, Cavalier) rather than "generic" (like Champion and Battlemaster). But people can still get all their martial maneuver goodness if they want it. [/QUOTE]

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