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<blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 3325471" data-attributes="member: 6562"><p>So, I was looking over the <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/prestigeClasses/duelist.htm" target="_blank">SRD Duelist</a>, and some things struck me:</p><p></p><p>1/ Canny Defense already grants +1 dodge to AC per level (up to your Int bonus). However, this is a <u>dodge bonus to AC</u>, not a dodge bonus vs. one opponent. Sure, you have to spend some resources to get your Int up to 30, but then it applies to all attacks.</p><p></p><p>2/ Elaborate Parry: holy cow. When fighting defensively, you gain an additional Dodge bonus equal to your class level. So, at level 7, you could be taking -4 to attack but gaining +9 AC.</p><p></p><p>3/ Thus, by 20th level, a traditional Duelist could have a +20 to AC <u>against all attacks</u>, and would deal +2d6 damage <u>with all attacks</u>. Which reminds me why I put in Sneak Attack instead of Precise Strike: I want the Duelist to Feint instead of just dealing extra damage. Under the Core rules, you can only Feint once per round, so his damage output is limited compared to a TWF Monk / SRD Duelist (who fights with one Kama and one empty hand).</p><p></p><p></p><p>... which brings me back to why I didn't like the Core Duelist in the first place: unarmored, shield-free fighting is a fine style, but it's not the only way people dueled.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Anyway, in light of the fact that my version of the PrC is actually <u>weakening</u> the dodge bonus to AC, what do y'all think?</p><p></p><p>(Did the SRD version get stronger while I wasn't looking?)</p><p></p><p>Thanks, -- N</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nifft, post: 3325471, member: 6562"] So, I was looking over the [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/prestigeClasses/duelist.htm]SRD Duelist[/url], and some things struck me: 1/ Canny Defense already grants +1 dodge to AC per level (up to your Int bonus). However, this is a [u]dodge bonus to AC[/u], not a dodge bonus vs. one opponent. Sure, you have to spend some resources to get your Int up to 30, but then it applies to all attacks. 2/ Elaborate Parry: holy cow. When fighting defensively, you gain an additional Dodge bonus equal to your class level. So, at level 7, you could be taking -4 to attack but gaining +9 AC. 3/ Thus, by 20th level, a traditional Duelist could have a +20 to AC [u]against all attacks[/u], and would deal +2d6 damage [u]with all attacks[/u]. Which reminds me why I put in Sneak Attack instead of Precise Strike: I want the Duelist to Feint instead of just dealing extra damage. Under the Core rules, you can only Feint once per round, so his damage output is limited compared to a TWF Monk / SRD Duelist (who fights with one Kama and one empty hand). ... which brings me back to why I didn't like the Core Duelist in the first place: unarmored, shield-free fighting is a fine style, but it's not the only way people dueled. Anyway, in light of the fact that my version of the PrC is actually [u]weakening[/u] the dodge bonus to AC, what do y'all think? (Did the SRD version get stronger while I wasn't looking?) Thanks, -- N [/QUOTE]
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