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<blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 4316033" data-attributes="member: 6562">Destil, thank you! Specifics follow.kylone, I think I've read the whole PHB by now, but I could have missed something -- where do you get that multi-class Warlocks can use Curses &amp; Pact Boons at all? Their multi-class feat just gives them an attack once per encounter.Exen Trik, yeah, I don't know exactly what to do about Half-Elves, other than try to make their racial ability useful. I'd like to give them some extra Con-focused feats, since Dwarves &amp; Dragonborn both benefit from Con more than Half-Elves.I know Half-Elves were the best multiclassers in 2e, but in 3e that changed drastically. Perhaps they need a different niche in 4e.Miar, the follow-on feats for those multiclassing into Wizard are strong, and the implicit Wizard class feature (choose one of two spells) granted by the power swap feats is quite strong too. I can't price the power swap feats higher for a Wizard, so reducing the power of the &quot;entry&quot; feat is what I did instead. Getting to swap your Daily &amp; Utility powers is strong IMHO, and the ability to swap an Encounter for 2/Encounter uses of an At-Will also seems strong.In that light, does the higher cost make sense?&nbsp;Your points are excellent, and I admit I didn't give nearly enough thought to the Wizard -&gt; Paladin route. Dropping heavy armor is good, since Clerics don't get Shields anymore, and since armor is its own reward.Regarding the rhyme &amp; reason: I tried to look at all the most &quot;profitable&quot; routes, and penalize them. I also tried to ensure at least one skill required was &quot;easy&quot;, while the other would cost a feat (or being an Eladrin).&nbsp;Eeeeeeenh. I'd rather not tie multi-classing so much into racial fixes -- a Half-Elf should be balanced in a single class or with a multiclass. This is a bit hypocritical of me, since Humans and Eladrin multiclass better under my system, and that could easily be seen as a racial benefit (which IMHO both needed)... but both could be effective without multiclassing, and multiclassing isn't the only good use of their racial benefits.Bah, I hate Half-Elves.&nbsp;Yes, thanks!Cheers, -- N</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nifft, post: 4316033, member: 6562"] [b]Destil[/b], thank you! Specifics follow. [b]kylone[/b], I think I've read the whole PHB by now, but I could have missed something -- where do you get that multi-class Warlocks can use Curses & Pact Boons at all? Their multi-class feat just gives them an attack once per encounter. [b]Exen Trik[/b], yeah, I don't know exactly what to do about Half-Elves, other than try to make their racial ability useful. I'd like to give them some extra Con-focused feats, since Dwarves & Dragonborn both benefit from Con more than Half-Elves. I know Half-Elves were the best multiclassers in 2e, but in 3e that changed drastically. Perhaps they need a different niche in 4e. [b]Miar[/b], the follow-on feats for those multiclassing into Wizard are strong, and the implicit Wizard class feature (choose one of two spells) granted by the power swap feats is quite strong too. I can't price the power swap feats higher for a Wizard, so reducing the power of the "entry" feat is what I did instead. Getting to swap your Daily & Utility powers is strong IMHO, and the ability to swap an Encounter for 2/Encounter uses of an At-Will also seems strong. In that light, does the higher cost make sense? Your points are excellent, and I admit I didn't give nearly enough thought to the Wizard -> Paladin route. Dropping heavy armor is good, since Clerics don't get Shields anymore, and since armor is its own reward. Regarding the rhyme & reason: I tried to look at all the most "profitable" routes, and penalize them. I also tried to ensure at least one skill required was "easy", while the other would cost a feat (or being an Eladrin). Eeeeeeenh. I'd rather not tie multi-classing so much into racial fixes -- a Half-Elf should be balanced in a single class or with a multiclass. This is a bit hypocritical of me, since Humans and Eladrin multiclass [u]better[/u] under my system, and that could easily be seen as a racial benefit (which IMHO both needed)... but both could be effective without multiclassing, and multiclassing isn't the only good use of their racial benefits. Bah, I hate Half-Elves. Yes, thanks! Cheers, -- N [/QUOTE]

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