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<blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 4316249" data-attributes="member: 20805">Actually I dropped in to say the same thing. My first 4e character is using the RAW multiclass as a Ranger/Wizard at first level. The character is only&nbsp; dabbler and I don't currently plan on taking any further powers from the mage class. To build this character under your rules I would need two additional feats {Skill training Arcane and Ritual Casting}.&nbsp; While I agree that the follow on feats are powerful, this version means that you won't have any mage dabblers, such as my character is going to be. The entry cost is too high to justify not following through with the further power swap feats. Basically its three feats to gain two cantrips and the option to spend more feats to get spells....When I have time I will wander back in to check out the rest of the post <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />[edit] Half-Elves are better dabblers across the board. My first run at my character was going to be a half-elf with a Mage ability, but then I decided I wanted ritual casting as well. It was 'cheaper' to go human and get the multi-class and Arcane skill training in one shot.&nbsp;The half-elf is the only race that can dabble in a second class, via thier racial ablity, and then multi-class to a third class with the feat tree...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Primitive Screwhead, post: 4316249, member: 20805"] Actually I dropped in to say the same thing. My first 4e character is using the RAW multiclass as a Ranger/Wizard at first level. The character is only dabbler and I don't currently plan on taking any further powers from the mage class. To build this character under your rules I would need two additional feats {Skill training Arcane and Ritual Casting}. While I agree that the follow on feats are powerful, this version means that you won't have any mage dabblers, such as my character is going to be. The entry cost is too high to justify not following through with the further power swap feats. Basically its three feats to gain two cantrips and the option to spend more feats to get spells.... When I have time I will wander back in to check out the rest of the post :) [edit] Half-Elves are better dabblers across the board. My first run at my character was going to be a half-elf with a Mage ability, but then I decided I wanted ritual casting as well. It was 'cheaper' to go human and get the multi-class and Arcane skill training in one shot. The half-elf is the only race that can dabble in a second class, via thier racial ablity, and then multi-class to a third class with the feat tree... [/QUOTE]

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