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<blockquote data-quote="Mengu" data-source="post: 4300520" data-attributes="member: 65726"><p>For a ranger with Careful Attack and Twin Strike, for both attacks to be meaningful choices, there needs to be around a +4 or +5 difference between the two. If they deemed the +4 on Careful attack to be too powerful, I don't understand how no penalty on Twin Strike isn't too powerful. If Twin Strike is good as is, then Careful attack should have a +4 or +5. The math is really not that complicated for this one.</p><p></p><p>The other option to bring Careful Attack up to the level of Twin Strike, would be to increase its damage. Even then, against your quarry, Twin Strike is better until you need 15's or higher to hit, at which point careful attack becomes better. Since a ranger will typically attack their quarry, not having Twin Strike would be like chopping your arm off.</p><p></p><p>So if Twin Strike is supposed to be the main feature of the ranger class that every ranger will pick up, why is it one of 4 options for an at will power as opposed to a class feature? I realize certain builds for other classes have such obvious choices as well, but for ranger regardless of whether you are melee or ranged, you want Twin Strike. At least for something like Paladin you pick different powers depending on whether you are charisma based or strength based, and some classes like the Wizard have much more meaningful choices to make for at-will powers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mengu, post: 4300520, member: 65726"] For a ranger with Careful Attack and Twin Strike, for both attacks to be meaningful choices, there needs to be around a +4 or +5 difference between the two. If they deemed the +4 on Careful attack to be too powerful, I don't understand how no penalty on Twin Strike isn't too powerful. If Twin Strike is good as is, then Careful attack should have a +4 or +5. The math is really not that complicated for this one. The other option to bring Careful Attack up to the level of Twin Strike, would be to increase its damage. Even then, against your quarry, Twin Strike is better until you need 15's or higher to hit, at which point careful attack becomes better. Since a ranger will typically attack their quarry, not having Twin Strike would be like chopping your arm off. So if Twin Strike is supposed to be the main feature of the ranger class that every ranger will pick up, why is it one of 4 options for an at will power as opposed to a class feature? I realize certain builds for other classes have such obvious choices as well, but for ranger regardless of whether you are melee or ranged, you want Twin Strike. At least for something like Paladin you pick different powers depending on whether you are charisma based or strength based, and some classes like the Wizard have much more meaningful choices to make for at-will powers. [/QUOTE]
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