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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sacrificial Lamb" data-source="post: 4856903" data-attributes="member: 7482">And I disagree with your disagreement. 4e has, at the very least, split the online gaming community, and in a place like ENWorld, that's what matters the most. The fact that a 5e topic ban exists at all is ample evidence of that.Hell, because the climate for online discourse of D&D has radically changed in only a year at places like ENWorld and RPGnet, we're getting tons of online refugees to other websites like paizo and therpgsite.And now I'll go a step further. 5e is not a theoretical nor is it a "mythical game-to-be". On the contrary, it's very much a reality based on WoTC's embrace of the "planned obsolescence model" (POM). We can bury our heads in the sand with a 5e topic ban, and not discuss the future of where the D&D brand is going, but the future's gonna happen even if we're not allowed to talk about it on this message board.Anyone who doesn't recognize that 5e is only a few years away is willfully ignoring the reality of the POM. Like it or not, this is the way of things at WoTC. Why ignore it? The edition wars won't stop anyway, especially when Pathfinder comes out, so we might as well stop putting our heads in the sand, and acknowledge this one simple truth:"5e.....ready or not, here it comes."This is ENWorld. If we can talk about 5e, then maybe we can influence the course of its design. If we're stuck with a topic ban, then we're basically screwed, and will have absolutely no direct input in what they do. Not that they consulted us for 4e anyway, but maybe if we were open to discussion of this, then WoTC wouldn't feel like they have to be so damn secretive about the process....See....here's the thing. If this infighting continues, then the only solution I can think of is it to split ENWorld into two sites.....ENWorld I and ENWorld II. ENWorld I would focus on 3e, OGL games, AD&D, and other pre-3e versions of D&D. ENWorld II would focus on 4e and GSL material. Yes, the fragmentation of the D&D hobby really is that bad now, at least online.People have been discussing these issues outside of ENWorld, and well, this place just isn't as laid back as it used to be, before 4e was announced. ENWorld used to be the nice website, the center for all things d20 and OGL, but now all the fighting is causing this place to fragment and degenerate. Posters are getting more passive-aggressive, and the mods have been more short-tempered. Something has to be done soon, and the 5e topic ban is only a band-aid solution. It's not solving the real problem, and will just bite this place in the arse later on. All in all, I really don't envy the EN mods. If they don't devise a more creative solution to the conflict, then they're gonna be dealing with this insanity for a long time to come...</blockquote>

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