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<blockquote data-quote="Ahglock" data-source="post: 4288656" data-attributes="member: 56725">Well 3e was not trying to make a claim to having an economy of actions balancing mechanic, so rolling 12 saves wasn't an issue.&nbsp; If you are claiming you want an economy of actions so each player has effectively one action, having the player roll 12 times for his area of effect powers kind of goes against it.&nbsp; I personally dig making them minions as how it is done, since it removes keeping track of HP, and I'm a big Naruto fan so all the shadow clones poofing when hit fits really well.&nbsp; &nbsp; OT: but Naruto brings up my biggest complaint with 4e, they went too far with the nerfing of cool abilities and not far enough with the buffing of the non-magic types.&nbsp; Epic does not feel even remotely epic enough to me, I want run on water action in the heroic tier and for this to be done by mundane classes, i want the epic to be well much more epic than it is.&nbsp; And I want people to be able to re-use abilities left and right if they want to.&nbsp; Basically I wanted D&amp;D 4e to be able to run a Naruto game really easily, but instead it will require a lot of work.&nbsp; So I guess it isn't anime enough for me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ahglock, post: 4288656, member: 56725"] Well 3e was not trying to make a claim to having an economy of actions balancing mechanic, so rolling 12 saves wasn't an issue. If you are claiming you want an economy of actions so each player has effectively one action, having the player roll 12 times for his area of effect powers kind of goes against it. I personally dig making them minions as how it is done, since it removes keeping track of HP, and I'm a big Naruto fan so all the shadow clones poofing when hit fits really well. OT: but Naruto brings up my biggest complaint with 4e, they went too far with the nerfing of cool abilities and not far enough with the buffing of the non-magic types. Epic does not feel even remotely epic enough to me, I want run on water action in the heroic tier and for this to be done by mundane classes, i want the epic to be well much more epic than it is. And I want people to be able to re-use abilities left and right if they want to. Basically I wanted D&D 4e to be able to run a Naruto game really easily, but instead it will require a lot of work. So I guess it isn't anime enough for me. [/QUOTE]

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