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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dr. Strangemonkey" data-source="post: 942557" data-attributes="member: 6533">It's also possible to run divine magic in your campaign, but simply not have it be an exclusive association of the church.The church could claim to have some type of magic that represented something outside of the hedge faith of the cleric or the proud knowledge of the wizard and was instead some combination of the two.Or the church could simply not rest its claim to legitimacy on divine magic.  Certainly, most churches rest their claim on divine revelation, but there is no reason that divine magic has to be the actual manifestation of this relationship.There's nothing that says you need to have a church be a cleric and nothing that states you need clerics to be a church.Clerics could even be seen as inherently anti-religious since they have such an individual relationship with a god, granted this isn't a view most 20th century Americans and Europeans are going to have, even those who are religious, but not everyone has had melinia of more or less individual religion to deal with.In a lot of cultures and times religion is really more about the ceremonies everyone does together and the poltical and economic services provided to and by priests more than anything else.</blockquote>