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No ECL in the SRD. Why are d20 publishers able to use it?
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<blockquote data-quote="The Sigil" data-source="post: 960502" data-attributes="member: 2013"><p>I think what we're quibbling about here is matters of semantics... semantics which DO change the meaning of the passage, but semantics nonetheless.</p><p></p><p>My view is that the "and"s are used the conjunctive sense; i.e., like bullet points on a list. I read it as, "if any of these criteria separated by 'ands' are met, the subject matter is of necessity Open Game Content."</p><p></p><p>Your view is that the "and"s are used in the sense of listing *all* criteria that must be met.</p><p></p><p>The difference in approach is easy to illustrate with a simpler example; the "ColorOGL" in effect says:</p><p></p><p>Open Game Content" means that which is red and blue and green, and orange, including burnt orange, but not anything "melon orange."</p><p></p><p>My argument hinges upon reading "and" as "and/or" or "any of the following"- the English Language equivalent of the "inclusive or" - so a blue shirt with no red or green or orange would be OGC under my reading of the OGL. I do this because in the English Language, we do not have a single word for the inclusive or - we use "and/or" or sometimes simply "and" to approximate it when using a single word and not a clunky construction such as "and/or".</p><p></p><p>By your reading, where the "and" is a list of quantities, ALL of which must be true - in other words, rather than an "inclusive or" you read it as a strict "all of these" instead of "any of these" - the shirt would have to be blue with red stripes, green polka-dots, and an orange label to qualify.</p><p></p><p>*shrugs* I think my way is the more conservative reading as far as compliance, to be sure, as it ensures that nothing is Closed that should be Open - at the cost of making Open that which might otherwise be Close-able.</p><p></p><p>But as you said, there's no way to tell for sure which it DOES mean until we get a court to tell us. We can argue the point all day, but I think we understand each other and can agree to disagree - until a court ruling tells us who is right. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> And I'm sure neither of us is exactly chomping at the bit to be the guinea pig! LOL</p><p></p><p>--The Sigil</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Sigil, post: 960502, member: 2013"] I think what we're quibbling about here is matters of semantics... semantics which DO change the meaning of the passage, but semantics nonetheless. My view is that the "and"s are used the conjunctive sense; i.e., like bullet points on a list. I read it as, "if any of these criteria separated by 'ands' are met, the subject matter is of necessity Open Game Content." Your view is that the "and"s are used in the sense of listing *all* criteria that must be met. The difference in approach is easy to illustrate with a simpler example; the "ColorOGL" in effect says: Open Game Content" means that which is red and blue and green, and orange, including burnt orange, but not anything "melon orange." My argument hinges upon reading "and" as "and/or" or "any of the following"- the English Language equivalent of the "inclusive or" - so a blue shirt with no red or green or orange would be OGC under my reading of the OGL. I do this because in the English Language, we do not have a single word for the inclusive or - we use "and/or" or sometimes simply "and" to approximate it when using a single word and not a clunky construction such as "and/or". By your reading, where the "and" is a list of quantities, ALL of which must be true - in other words, rather than an "inclusive or" you read it as a strict "all of these" instead of "any of these" - the shirt would have to be blue with red stripes, green polka-dots, and an orange label to qualify. *shrugs* I think my way is the more conservative reading as far as compliance, to be sure, as it ensures that nothing is Closed that should be Open - at the cost of making Open that which might otherwise be Close-able. But as you said, there's no way to tell for sure which it DOES mean until we get a court to tell us. We can argue the point all day, but I think we understand each other and can agree to disagree - until a court ruling tells us who is right. ;) And I'm sure neither of us is exactly chomping at the bit to be the guinea pig! LOL --The Sigil [/QUOTE]
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