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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Valdrax" data-source="post: 4230142" data-attributes="member: 56320">One problem I have is that Orcs and Goblins (not Hobgoblins) are CE & NE, respectively.  Yet, there's virtually no real difference in the organization of their societies -- only a slight tendency towards being a bully or the bullied based on their size.  Among their own people, they're both poorly organized tribal races ruled by the strongest members of their tribes who go raiding and can be pressed into large armies by smarter and stronger creatures but have a poor grasp of strategy.  But no real difference due to being CE or NE.If I had to pick a 5 element alignment system, that would be my preference over or G/L/N/C/E.  It's much easier to handle the neutral 4 as being slightly more to one side or the other than picking whether your prankster is more G or C.If you want a petty criminal, isn't CE just as good as NE (but both better than LE)?If you want a member of the community who generally does right by people and generally respects community traditions and mores (even if not a zealot about it), wouldn't LG & NG both apply (but not the more free spirit CG)?Why not just call those alignments Good and Evil and keep special recognition for those who do what's right no matter what others will think of them or for those who try to make evil institutionalized and thus both permanent and reflexive?</blockquote>