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No evil gods in 4e?
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<blockquote data-quote="Lizard" data-source="post: 4230840" data-attributes="member: 1054"><p>As long as you don't rename demons to "Baatezu", it's all cool. (Or were those devils? Whatever. That kind of thinking drove me away from D&D for a decade.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In both cases, the neutral is willing to use any tool to acheive their ends (good or evil) while the more focused alignments reject them. A lawful evil character would feel supporting a society which spurned tradition would leave him less able to exploit it, and so, would promote order, conformity, and the like as means of pursuing his own self interest. If he could be convinced abandoning these things would lead to greater gain for him, he would shift alignment to neutral evil. Likewise, the chaotic good would not support the use of "We've always done it this way!" as a means of promoting good; even if the tradition was benign in the short run, the CG would fear that it would eventually become calcified and a tool of oppression. </p><p></p><p>The neutral cares only about the ends; the Lawful and Chaotic care about the means.</p><p></p><p>(Toss me in with those disappointed with the alignment system, and the implication that there are no more honor-bound arch-foes or Robin Hood style noble rebels...for that matter, where are the uncaring bureaucrats (LN) and bored princelings (CN)? The idea that chaos is "double evil" and law is "double good" is also chafing.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lizard, post: 4230840, member: 1054"] As long as you don't rename demons to "Baatezu", it's all cool. (Or were those devils? Whatever. That kind of thinking drove me away from D&D for a decade.) In both cases, the neutral is willing to use any tool to acheive their ends (good or evil) while the more focused alignments reject them. A lawful evil character would feel supporting a society which spurned tradition would leave him less able to exploit it, and so, would promote order, conformity, and the like as means of pursuing his own self interest. If he could be convinced abandoning these things would lead to greater gain for him, he would shift alignment to neutral evil. Likewise, the chaotic good would not support the use of "We've always done it this way!" as a means of promoting good; even if the tradition was benign in the short run, the CG would fear that it would eventually become calcified and a tool of oppression. The neutral cares only about the ends; the Lawful and Chaotic care about the means. (Toss me in with those disappointed with the alignment system, and the implication that there are no more honor-bound arch-foes or Robin Hood style noble rebels...for that matter, where are the uncaring bureaucrats (LN) and bored princelings (CN)? The idea that chaos is "double evil" and law is "double good" is also chafing.) [/QUOTE]
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