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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BlindKobold" data-source="post: 90037" data-attributes="member: 1375">The rules state that if a creature/person can summon/create creatures, that no experience should be given for those summoned/created creatures as they are counted in the CR for the original creature/person.This is twisted and evil and the most abused rule I have come across.This means a higher level wizard can summon elementals, invisible stalkers, etc. and send them after the PCs and the PCs will get NO EXPERIENCE from them. They could do this 1-2 times a day a mid level and SEVERAL times a day at high level.This would frustrate the players to no end. I know it frustrates me.And what does this really mean with skeletons and zombies? Where do they come from? Created. So does this mean the PCs don't get experience from killing them....EVER?! I mean SOMEONE had to create them... and unless they find that someone, and kill them, they get no experience.What about ghouls, ghasts, wraiths, shadows, vampires, etc. Does thing mean you don't get any experience for killing 6 ghouls if 1 was the "creator" and the other 5 were just spawns? Does this seem right? I can't believe so. I can understand if a wizards/cleric/demon, etc. summons a creature DURING combat or immediately before.  Heck, they're giving up a spell slot and casting time to summon the creature and concentration (perhaps) to control it.But summoning creatures at range (invisible stalkers, etc.) and sending them against a party and the PCs not getting any experience is LAME.  Especially if the PCs can't retaliate against the mage in question.As there been any official clarification on this rule, or are players just bending over for it?</blockquote>

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