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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 90297" data-attributes="member: 177">Methinks simple semantics solves the original question - what constitutes an encounter with the summoner?&nbsp; Let usput aside teh question of spell range for just a moment.&nbsp; Assume the following is legal - the summoner is half a mile away from the party, summons some critters, and sends them out to fight the party.&nbsp; Can the party really be said to have encountered the summoner?&nbsp; I don't think so.&nbsp; If they don't actually encounter him, you shouldn't work the XP as if they did.If the summoner shows his face, and gives the party a chance to defeat him, then it is an encounter with the summoner, and the spell's rules for XP apply.&nbsp; If the party never sees him, or specifically isn't given a chance to defeat him, then it is an encounter with some creatures (who just happen to be summoned), and you get XP for them accordingly.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 90297, member: 177"] Methinks simple semantics solves the original question - what constitutes an encounter [i]with the summoner[/i]? Let usput aside teh question of spell range for just a moment. Assume the following is legal - the summoner is half a mile away from the party, summons some critters, and sends them out to fight the party. Can the party really be said to have encountered the summoner? I don't think so. If they don't actually encounter him, you shouldn't work the XP as if they did. If the summoner shows his face, and gives the party a chance to defeat him, then it is an encounter with the summoner, and the spell's rules for XP apply. If the party never sees him, or specifically isn't given a chance to defeat him, then it is an encounter with some creatures (who just happen to be summoned), and you get XP for them accordingly. [/QUOTE]

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