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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jackinthegreen" data-source="post: 5970585" data-attributes="member: 6678119">If warlock is in then there is no need for craft handwaving since they can do it without needing the spell.I'm guessing no full caster prestige classes like divine crusader?If paladin isn't quite up your alley, pious templar might be worthwhile.  It doesn't get turn undead, but it does get pally or blackguard spells and mettle.  It can be used to get into Sacred Exorcist for turn undead, but at that level you probably shouldn't bother actually using turn undead for turning since your effective cleric level won't do any good against any decent undead.Would it be possible to use the <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#paladinVariantsFreedomSlaughterAndTyranny" target="_blank">Paladin of Freedom</a>?  Just giving a suggestion if you don't like the normal Lawful Anal paladin.Given that you said full casters are out, dread necromancer is probably out too since it has 9th level spells though it's not nearly as powerful as cleric or wizard.  Rebuke Undead is more powerful than Turn mostly because rebuking make it cower in awe instead of run like hell.One oddball choice you might try is Crusader 5/Pious Templar 7/Sacred Exorcist 1 or 2/Crusader +1 or 2.  Pious Templar gets 4th level paladin spells at 7th level (assuming your charisma is high enough), which means Dispel Evil and thus the biggest pain taken care of with SE prerequisites.If you're going paladin you might look into Gray Guard from Complete Scoundrel.  Wiggle room concerning the paladin's oath is nice.</blockquote>

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