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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9255281" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>I don't think it is necessarily obvious even if perhaps it should be. A lot of people dismiss certain fandoms as <em>inherently</em> toxic, or praise them as <em>inherently</em> good-natured, but in many cases, perhaps most, it's simply down to how badly behaved the company involved has been recently.</p><p></p><p>Re: not thinking it's going to die down, I feel like that's an odd expectation given you pointed out this applied to other fandoms too. By your logic YouTube for any given IP could literally only ever get worse without YouTube changing the algorithm. Also note YouTube<em> did </em>change the algorithm quite some time ago re: negative coverage of branded IPs (2018 IIRC but I could check), both lowering linking (not the right word - discoverability, surfacing - how much YouTube shows people the video anyway) to videos and making them less likely to get ads even if monetized. YouTubers noticed that you could play with this by avoiding using the product name and avoiding being outright negative in wording. So instead of "WotC are a terrible company who hate you", or "D&D isn't a good game" or the like, you'd get "You won't believe what the biggest RPG company did!" together with a thumbnail implying the video is negative (which, confusingly, it sometimes isn't!). So I'm not sure what to change.</p><p></p><p>(They also changed the algorithm at a different time to try and reduce negativity in another way - in my view that worked - YouTube used to recommend increasingly negative/grim/extreme videos to you, like you watch a video discussing the writing in Mass Effect, and it contains like, mild criticism or was just called "A critical analysis" or something, old YouTube would then be recommending videos like "SJWs are ruining games!" "Why female characters in games don't make sense" "Mass Effect got DESTROYED by woke writers!!!" and so on, and it's like what the hell, and YouTube wouldn't quit recommending them either! But that did change, and now you usually have to seek that out (or it's one video in a list of 20 instead of 14 videos in a list of 20). Unfortunately YouTube improved this as a bunch of other video stuff started becoming popular, and most of that - particularly TikTok - does exactly what YouTube moved away from!</p><p></p><p>Anyway we know from looking at other fandoms we absolutely have seen them get better and worse and then better again when it comes to negative content dominating coverage on YouTube. It's a slow process but people don't just click on negative news, and as I said, if you get a lot of false/fictional negative news, people click on it less and less and trust the YouTubers involved less and less.</p><p></p><p>On the other hand maybe I am an unreasonable optimist on this! But I really do think if WotC can keep its nose clean for a couple of years things will improve hugely for casual searching re: D&D on YouTube.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9255281, member: 18"] I don't think it is necessarily obvious even if perhaps it should be. A lot of people dismiss certain fandoms as [I]inherently[/I] toxic, or praise them as [I]inherently[/I] good-natured, but in many cases, perhaps most, it's simply down to how badly behaved the company involved has been recently. Re: not thinking it's going to die down, I feel like that's an odd expectation given you pointed out this applied to other fandoms too. By your logic YouTube for any given IP could literally only ever get worse without YouTube changing the algorithm. Also note YouTube[I] did [/I]change the algorithm quite some time ago re: negative coverage of branded IPs (2018 IIRC but I could check), both lowering linking (not the right word - discoverability, surfacing - how much YouTube shows people the video anyway) to videos and making them less likely to get ads even if monetized. YouTubers noticed that you could play with this by avoiding using the product name and avoiding being outright negative in wording. So instead of "WotC are a terrible company who hate you", or "D&D isn't a good game" or the like, you'd get "You won't believe what the biggest RPG company did!" together with a thumbnail implying the video is negative (which, confusingly, it sometimes isn't!). So I'm not sure what to change. (They also changed the algorithm at a different time to try and reduce negativity in another way - in my view that worked - YouTube used to recommend increasingly negative/grim/extreme videos to you, like you watch a video discussing the writing in Mass Effect, and it contains like, mild criticism or was just called "A critical analysis" or something, old YouTube would then be recommending videos like "SJWs are ruining games!" "Why female characters in games don't make sense" "Mass Effect got DESTROYED by woke writers!!!" and so on, and it's like what the hell, and YouTube wouldn't quit recommending them either! But that did change, and now you usually have to seek that out (or it's one video in a list of 20 instead of 14 videos in a list of 20). Unfortunately YouTube improved this as a bunch of other video stuff started becoming popular, and most of that - particularly TikTok - does exactly what YouTube moved away from! Anyway we know from looking at other fandoms we absolutely have seen them get better and worse and then better again when it comes to negative content dominating coverage on YouTube. It's a slow process but people don't just click on negative news, and as I said, if you get a lot of false/fictional negative news, people click on it less and less and trust the YouTubers involved less and less. On the other hand maybe I am an unreasonable optimist on this! But I really do think if WotC can keep its nose clean for a couple of years things will improve hugely for casual searching re: D&D on YouTube. [/QUOTE]
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