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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Old Gumphrey" data-source="post: 3560005" data-attributes="member: 12872">More...damage?Power Attacking Barbarian20 with a +5 holy shock flaming greatsword of frost (and a reasonable 40 str during rage) is rolling out with around 7d6+60 and around or over +20 to hit against evil creatures.Meteor Swarming wizard deals 24d6 to one target with a ref save for half.7d6+60 averages to 84.5 damage.24d6 averages to 84 damage.Wizard's out a spell. Barb repeats next round. Caster power isn't in damage at high levels. This figure is not even considering non-core material such as Leap Attack and Frenzied Berserker PrC...I could EASILY push that damage to an average of over 200 on a charge. With Shock Trooper, his hit bonus isn't even going down. He's rolling out with over +40 to hit and dealing over 200 damage. That's enough to hit a fully buffed CR 20 dragon on a roll of 2 or higher and take out over 50% of its HP...Plus look at all that junk on your character sheet there with the dual and triple attacks and dual wields and whatever. I don't see how that is any different from iterative attacks anyway. And how is 3 attacks at +9 (2d8+20) somehow better than 3 attacks at +19/+14/+9 (2d8+15)?</blockquote>