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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6648888" data-attributes="member: 15700">Actually, the panga is also from the Caribbean.  That's what <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Caribbean-Panga-Full-Tang-Machete/dp/B009BA4B3C" target="_blank">they are still called</a>.  And the point was, was that they are more axe-like than they are knife like (they are used much like an axe), which is what I assume your point was to argue they axe was a worse tool than the knife by bringing that up as an example.A couple things.  Firstly, how many D&D games take place on the ocean as compared to in a forest or jungle or on land anywhere really?  Are you really arguing that a knife is overall better than an axe because in this highly specialized scenario that hardly ever happens in a game is more important than the most frequent scenario(s) that do happen in the game?  Secondly, your example include fixing engines and screwing in screws as supporting points?  Seriously?  Thirdly, many of the things you are listing can only really be done with a small finer blade, not one that has a large blade.  And if given the choice of living the the outdoors and having an axe or a pocketknife, the choice becomes even more obvious.Maybe you should actually read the thread before commenting then:Again, a) uses that come up much less often then actually using the tool for what it's needed for (chopping, hammering, cutting) and b) really only can be done with a small blade in most of these examples anyway.  To use your own ridiculous analogy, there's a reason why woodsmen don't use a scalpel over an axe when they go in the woods.  Good lord...Also, you don't dig holes for stakes.  Despite what you said, I'm seriously beginning to wonder if you have ever actually been out in the woods.Again, I'm seriously thinking this is all BS and you've never actually done any of this.  For one, batoning wood with an axe is easier than with a knife.  You don't always have to swing an axe when splitting wood.  If fact, most experienced people don't for smaller logs.  They do it just like a knife.  Only with one or two hits rather than a half dozen or more that you would with a knife.  And you won't ever break your axe by doing this where you can very easily break your knife blade.  In fact, one popular technique is to have the axe handle run nearly parallel to the log and hold both the axe and the log when swinging downward because then the axe splits it, the two pieces don't go flying or fall away--you have them in your hand.  For larger logs (something a knife can't even do), you can baton or split like you want.Experts in any forest, not just coniferous.  I've lived in Alaska and Oregon, and we have just as many leafy trees here in Oregon as we do pine.  Besides of which, the type of tree doesn't matter, and bringing that up is a red herring.  What matters is that they both produce logs and branches, where an axe is clearly superior.  And I bring it up because all examples of real world people who actually do live in the outdoors where 90% of PCs will encounter the same scenario (unless you're playing Dark Sun), they all choose an axe over a knife, and do all these tasks that you have claimed can't really be done.It doesn't take years.  It literally takes minutes or hours.  All you have to do is learn a technique, and it's not all that hard.  Also, I was talking about rangers and barbarians.  You know, PCs who would be experts?  Again it seems you haven't even read this thread.Lord Jesus the irony.  This coming from a guy who is arguing the knife is better than an axe for a D&D PC in the outdoor exploration phase because it's better at fixing engines, screwing in screws, and more useful on a boat.  :rolleyesDespite what you claimed as your own experience (which I highly doubt based on your arguments so far), these are people who do this stuff a lot, and are enthusiasts.  I would consider them subject matter experts.  If you pull some wild claim out of your bum about which racing tire is the best for a race, and I ask a bunch of people who race cars, your position is to hand wave it away based on "argumentum ad populum"?  Your arguments are quickly going from the "man what" stage to just outright absurd.</blockquote>

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