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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7336791" data-attributes="member: 22779">Why are they getting the items anyway?&nbsp; Even the random treasure generation is no guarantee (and very likely will result in only common items) that more powerful items will be found.Even the modules don't really ramp up magic items.&nbsp; As I mentioned before, 8 levels in Ravenloft and nary a magic bow or even a magic arrow in the module.&nbsp; Playing modules in our new campaign has resulted in a couple of +1 weapons and a few odds and sods, but, again, very few magic items.It's not like AD&amp;D where you were getting 2-4 magic items after about 1-8 &quot;lairs&quot; and you were looting dozens of lairs per level.&nbsp; AD&amp;D was based on the idea that you'd have buckets and buckets of magic items (don't believe me, then explain why the paladin's 10 item limit was actually considered a big deal).&nbsp; There's nothing wrong with using magic items.&nbsp; But magic items are what they are in 5e - a power up.&nbsp; Having a magic item makes you actually more powerful.&nbsp; And DM's need to be aware of that.&nbsp; Having a magic item in 3e was a requirement - if you didn't, you actually couldn't deal with challenges as you leveled up because those bonuses were figured into the monsters.&nbsp; Having a +1 sword in 5e means that you are actually flat out better than baseline.I like that magic is actually a reward in the new system.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7336791, member: 22779"] Why are they getting the items anyway? Even the random treasure generation is no guarantee (and very likely will result in only common items) that more powerful items will be found. Even the modules don't really ramp up magic items. As I mentioned before, 8 levels in Ravenloft and nary a magic bow or even a magic arrow in the module. Playing modules in our new campaign has resulted in a couple of +1 weapons and a few odds and sods, but, again, very few magic items. It's not like AD&D where you were getting 2-4 magic items after about 1-8 "lairs" and you were looting dozens of lairs per level. AD&D was based on the idea that you'd have buckets and buckets of magic items (don't believe me, then explain why the paladin's 10 item limit was actually considered a big deal). There's nothing wrong with using magic items. But magic items are what they are in 5e - a power up. Having a magic item makes you actually more powerful. And DM's need to be aware of that. Having a magic item in 3e was a requirement - if you didn't, you actually couldn't deal with challenges as you leveled up because those bonuses were figured into the monsters. Having a +1 sword in 5e means that you are actually flat out better than baseline. I like that magic is actually a reward in the new system. [/QUOTE]

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