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<blockquote data-quote="Nevvur" data-source="post: 7339080" data-attributes="member: 6783882"><p>4 Types of Statements:</p><p></p><p>Convention: a statement that is true or false because we define it as true or false. A field goal is worth 3 points (true). A simple majority is <50% (false).</p><p>Fact: a statement that is true or false because it can be verified through observation in the real world. There's a tree in my front yard (true). Hillary Clinton is the POTUS (false).</p><p>Preference: a statement that is neither true nor false because it is based on subjective criteria. I like vanilla ice cream more than chocolate, or Snoop Dogg is the best rapper ever.</p><p>Opinion: a preference which uses a fact or convention to support itself. Opinions cannot be true or false (or right or wrong) because they are essentially preferences, even if the supporting statement is true.</p><p></p><p>I've posted this little block of statements in other threads that have gone on way too long. To remind people what's really happening here...</p><p></p><p>We have two basic preferences: "I want magic item price lists," and "I don't want magic item price lists."</p><p>We have several facts: "Previous editions had magic item prices," "The 5e DMG says magic items are generally not for sale," etc.</p><p>And we have a butt load of opinions, "I want magic item price lists <em>because </em>previous editions had them," and "I don't want magic item price lists <em>because </em>the DMG says..." </p><p></p><p>There have been other preferences and opinions (with corresponding facts), some more nuanced than others, but no one is right or wrong here because all our preferences and opinions cannot, by convention, be right or wrong.</p><p></p><p>Since no one can be right or wrong, the only point (IMO) of arguing these opinions/preferences is to sway the opposition. Over the course of almost 60 pages I haven't seen a single person switch sides. I rarely advocate for shutting down discourse, but all meaningful discourse has been made and rehashed ad nauseum. </p><p></p><p>Can we please just let this thread die?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nevvur, post: 7339080, member: 6783882"] 4 Types of Statements: Convention: a statement that is true or false because we define it as true or false. A field goal is worth 3 points (true). A simple majority is <50% (false). Fact: a statement that is true or false because it can be verified through observation in the real world. There's a tree in my front yard (true). Hillary Clinton is the POTUS (false). Preference: a statement that is neither true nor false because it is based on subjective criteria. I like vanilla ice cream more than chocolate, or Snoop Dogg is the best rapper ever. Opinion: a preference which uses a fact or convention to support itself. Opinions cannot be true or false (or right or wrong) because they are essentially preferences, even if the supporting statement is true. I've posted this little block of statements in other threads that have gone on way too long. To remind people what's really happening here... We have two basic preferences: "I want magic item price lists," and "I don't want magic item price lists." We have several facts: "Previous editions had magic item prices," "The 5e DMG says magic items are generally not for sale," etc. And we have a butt load of opinions, "I want magic item price lists [I]because [/I]previous editions had them," and "I don't want magic item price lists [I]because [/I]the DMG says..." There have been other preferences and opinions (with corresponding facts), some more nuanced than others, but no one is right or wrong here because all our preferences and opinions cannot, by convention, be right or wrong. Since no one can be right or wrong, the only point (IMO) of arguing these opinions/preferences is to sway the opposition. Over the course of almost 60 pages I haven't seen a single person switch sides. I rarely advocate for shutting down discourse, but all meaningful discourse has been made and rehashed ad nauseum. Can we please just let this thread die? [/QUOTE]
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