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<blockquote data-quote="prosfilaes" data-source="post: 5756827" data-attributes="member: 40166">This whole discussion is about parties resting to recover resources. That seems like the key element here. If the party never rests inappropriately, what do you care about how they manage their resources? If they conserve their resources and in doing so play the 15-minute day, then we have the problem we're talking about.Yes and no. We can construct a character sheet for Bilbo, for the Superman of Superman I, for the Great and Mighty Turtle. In all these cases, there's going to be wide discrepancies on the numbers, but what they can do is going to be generally agreed upon. We can't do that for Gandalf.For all we know, Gandalf has spells to handle Balrogs ... and Balrogs. As I said, when we see a D&amp;D cleric blast a hoard of skeletons to dust and then not do the same to a hoard of goblins, we know that it's not because she's conserving power. There's simply not enough evidence in the LotR to say whether or not Gandalf could By whose definition? From reading the thread, I get the impression that this thread is about people who have a few encounters then rest, not about whether or not they have spells left when they rest.Really, this is all beside the point. I don't want to play a mage who has to sit around doing nothing or effectively nothing. What you're describing is a specialized playstyle that I don't think many 15-minute gamers want to play. The fighters have an effective option every term, and the mage players want the same thing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="prosfilaes, post: 5756827, member: 40166"] This whole discussion is about parties resting to recover resources. That seems like the key element here. If the party never rests inappropriately, what do you care about how they manage their resources? If they conserve their resources and in doing so play the 15-minute day, then we have the problem we're talking about. Yes and no. We can construct a character sheet for Bilbo, for the Superman of Superman I, for the Great and Mighty Turtle. In all these cases, there's going to be wide discrepancies on the numbers, but what they can do is going to be generally agreed upon. We can't do that for Gandalf. For all we know, Gandalf has spells to handle Balrogs ... and Balrogs. As I said, when we see a D&D cleric blast a hoard of skeletons to dust and then not do the same to a hoard of goblins, we know that it's not because she's conserving power. There's simply not enough evidence in the LotR to say whether or not Gandalf could By whose definition? From reading the thread, I get the impression that this thread is about people who have a few encounters then rest, not about whether or not they have spells left when they rest. Really, this is all beside the point. I don't want to play a mage who has to sit around doing nothing or effectively nothing. What you're describing is a specialized playstyle that I don't think many 15-minute gamers want to play. The fighters have an effective option every term, and the mage players want the same thing. [/QUOTE]

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