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<blockquote data-quote="drnuncheon" data-source="post: 954241" data-attributes="member: 96">Eh.&nbsp; It'll be nice to have some official clarity, but as I told the sorcerer in my game (who just took Empower):&nbsp; I think the problem with empower lies more in Improved Metamagic and other slot-lowering feats than it does in stacking Empower.18th level caster, Int +6, no other save DC increasesEmpowered x3 Fireball - 25d6 fire damage in a 20' radius, save DC 19Meteor Swarm - 24d6 fire damage in a blast pattern, save DC 25 (or 24d6 to one target, no save)...and Meteor Swarm is thought of as 'underpowered'.&nbsp; That low save DC is going to kill the effectiveness of the empowered fireball vs. high level creatures unless you're pumping your save DCs.&nbsp; The creatures with good Reflex saves will laugh it off, and the ones with poor Reflex saves look like they'll still be saving half the time (based on my totally unscientific comparison of looking up a couple of CR18 foes in MM and FF.)J</blockquote>

[QUOTE="drnuncheon, post: 954241, member: 96"] Eh. It'll be nice to have some official clarity, but as I told the sorcerer in my game (who just took Empower): I think the problem with empower lies more in Improved Metamagic and other slot-lowering feats than it does in stacking Empower. 18th level caster, Int +6, no other save DC increases Empowered x3 Fireball - 25d6 fire damage in a 20' radius, save DC 19 Meteor Swarm - 24d6 fire damage in a blast pattern, save DC [b]25[/b] (or 24d6 to one target, no save) ...and Meteor Swarm is thought of as 'underpowered'. That low save DC is going to kill the effectiveness of the empowered fireball vs. high level creatures unless you're pumping your save DCs. The creatures with good Reflex saves will laugh it off, and the ones with poor Reflex saves look like they'll still be saving half the time (based on my totally unscientific comparison of looking up a couple of CR18 foes in MM and FF.) J [/QUOTE]

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