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<blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 1406677" data-attributes="member: 151">Now, in case you were wondering about &quot;Crunch&quot;....well, that's been in use a long time, too, but again, not exactly as we're discussing here.&nbsp; Unlike 'fluff', 'crunch' has a mixed heritage.&nbsp; It's originals in most RPG discussions appear, via google, to stem out of 'crunching numbers'...clearly referencing numbers and mechanics.&nbsp; It's use is entirely neutral,&nbsp; usually just referring to the act of using the numbers, with no inherent positive/negative connotation, unless you consider the act of number-crunching itself to be unpleasant.&nbsp;For example:&nbsp; <a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;threadm=4bKfV2W00UjH013kkD%40andrew.cmu.edu&amp;rnum=224&amp;prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dcrunch%2BD%2526D%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26scoring%3Dd%26start%3D270%26sa%3DN" target="_blank">This post from 1990</a> clearly uses number-crunch as a neutral term, as something a DM might do to get some stats.&nbsp;<a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?q=crunch+D%26D&amp;start=190&amp;hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;scoring=d&amp;selm=317010C1.4C96%40asgna.com&amp;rnum=199" target="_blank">Here in 1996, we see the trend continues</a>, with crunch only being in refernce to numbers-crunching...'here the numbers just won't crunch'.&nbsp; Again, a neutral reference.&nbsp;<a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?q=crunch+D%26D&amp;start=100&amp;hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;scoring=d&amp;selm=200008100226.e7A2QuJ14315%40bluebean.coffeehaus.cx&amp;rnum=103" target="_blank">Jump to 2000</a>, and we see the discussion of 'crunchy' and 'crunchiness' as clear references to having mechanics and 'fiddly bits', and that being crunchy means having more mechanics.&nbsp; NOTE: he also refers to fluff as narrative material.&nbsp; If this isn't a smoking gun that the terms go back some time, I don't know what is.&nbsp; Here the terms fluff and crunch are both being used in the context we've discussed, and D&amp;D 3e isn't out yet, at that point in 2000.&nbsp; &nbsp;Ain't Google Grand?&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="WizarDru, post: 1406677, member: 151"] Now, in case you were wondering about "Crunch"....well, that's been in use a long time, too, but again, not exactly as we're discussing here. Unlike 'fluff', 'crunch' has a mixed heritage. It's originals in most RPG discussions appear, via google, to stem out of 'crunching numbers'...clearly referencing numbers and mechanics. It's use is entirely neutral, usually just referring to the act of using the numbers, with no inherent positive/negative connotation, unless you consider the act of number-crunching itself to be unpleasant. For example: [url="http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=4bKfV2W00UjH013kkD%40andrew.cmu.edu&rnum=224&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dcrunch%2BD%2526D%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26scoring%3Dd%26start%3D270%26sa%3DN"]This post from 1990[/url] clearly uses number-crunch as a neutral term, as something a DM might do to get some stats. [url="http://groups.google.com/groups?q=crunch+D%26D&start=190&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=317010C1.4C96%40asgna.com&rnum=199"]Here in 1996, we see the trend continues[/url], with crunch only being in refernce to numbers-crunching...'here the numbers just won't crunch'. Again, a neutral reference. [url="http://groups.google.com/groups?q=crunch+D%26D&start=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=200008100226.e7A2QuJ14315%40bluebean.coffeehaus.cx&rnum=103"]Jump to 2000[/url], and we see the discussion of 'crunchy' and 'crunchiness' as clear references to having mechanics and 'fiddly bits', and that being crunchy means having more mechanics. NOTE: he also refers to fluff as narrative material. If this isn't a smoking gun that the terms go back some time, I don't know what is. Here the terms fluff and crunch are both being used in the context we've discussed, and D&D 3e isn't out yet, at that point in 2000. Ain't Google Grand? :D [/QUOTE]

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