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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8449747" data-attributes="member: 6915329">Crimson's very tired argument is: why don't you want to D&D to have the same sort of character generation that GURPS does where you can pick whatever traits you want?And the answer is, because I'm not playing GURPS. Maybe one day D&D will turn into a choose-your-own-trait system, but that day is not 5e, and likely won't be 6e either.But ASIs are already very random and are mostly based on what the designers felt were the important race/class combos (they said so in the DMG). There is minimal correlation between biological sense and ASIs, which is why the average 8-foot-tall (and almost as broad) anthropomorphic elephant is exactly as strong as the average 2 1/2-foot-tall kobold.And because ASIs are so random, there's no reason to not let people move them around.Wow, you're telepathic and have read the mind of every gamer out there!? Amazing! And you're wasting this great gift on telling people they're playing wrong. What a shame.(So here I'll apologize for this bit of rudeness as well.)You might want to talk to Scribe about that, along with everyone else who wants to bring back racial penalties.And why are those four levels so important? Or rather, why is it so important to punish some players for daring to choose the "wrong" race for the class by not letting them have the same stats as the "right" race?Let's put it another way: Imagine you are playing a dwarf wizard (we'll say hill dwarf, so you don't think he's a wizard just for the armor). You've just hit 5th level. Huzzah, fireball time! Burning spheres of flaming death await! But wait--the rules say that because you're a dwarf, you can't take fireball until 8th level, when you can buy the "dwarf fireball" feat. Hey, if damage isn't that important, than it shouldn't matter if it takes two extra levels or that you have to buy a very specific feat to get it*, when your friend the elf sorcerer can get fireball, feat-free, at 5th level.Would you consider this fair?(*This is the equivalent of having to spend all your ASIs to up your stat, instead of being able to choose to buy a feat like someone because you don't have to up your stat since you get the bonus for free at chargen.)If stats don't matter to you (but racial ASIs do), then all of your characters should have a flat 10 in all of their stats, adjusted for race, right? You're cool with that?I'm guessing not so much.Which is different than all PCs of your race having the same individual trait how?Also, I have to say, how many parties are you in where you have multiple people in the same class who are so similar that you need their stats to differentiate them?There's two warlocks in my Ravenloft game, but they're so wildly different people due to their concepts, personalities, backgrounds, playstyles, and spell use (not to mention archetype), that even though they have the same Charisma and started as the same race (half-elf, but one decided to switch to dhampir when VGR came out because that better fit his character), literally the only place that Charisma score matters is for their spell attack mods and save DCs.I don't recall seeing a lot of racial feats for non-PHB or 3pp races. Can you point out where they are?Yep. You can put the +2 where you want, which is in the traditional racial spot, and I can put it where I want, which may or may not be the traditional racial spot.I'll say the same thing to you that I said to Scribe, when he said he didn't care--if you don't care, then why did you even bother to write in this thread? You could have spent this time doing something that you actually cared about.</blockquote>

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