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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9191927" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Well, the post I was responding to indicated that teleportation and planeshift were the main issues so I discussed those.&nbsp; One note about planeshift is that it just puts you somewhere in the general area; it's something many DMs likely ignore but could have pretty nasty consequences.In any case I guess I've never had much of an issue designing high level play.&nbsp; It's really not that much different thematically because there are only so many ways to skin a cat or set up plots.&nbsp; One of my high level campaigns had the group setting up in a city that was caught between two warring factions vying&nbsp; for control, with both of the factions being evil and while not apocalyptic, would have been bad for the region.&nbsp; So at first they were fighting some local ruffians, then hit some enemies that had backing from an outside power and so on.&nbsp; I think of it like a lot of standard TV series from back in the day when they had more than 8 episode per season.&nbsp; There was a main overarching plot and then little side-plots thrown in.&nbsp; Sometimes the plots took them to other planes of existence but it always came back to needing to protect the city they grew up in. The biggest problem that I see, which they say they are looking to fix with the 2024 edition is coming up with high level opponents that are not the exact same lich or archmage with different name, especially if you don't want to rely on extraplanar threats constantly.&nbsp; I got fairly good at upgrading things, like making the Lord Of Blades a CR 20 bad guy who, along with several allies, had taken over the PCs home town while they were off elsewhere.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 9191927, member: 6801845"] Well, the post I was responding to indicated that teleportation and planeshift were the main issues so I discussed those. One note about planeshift is that it just puts you somewhere in the general area; it's something many DMs likely ignore but could have pretty nasty consequences. In any case I guess I've never had much of an issue designing high level play. It's really not that much different thematically because there are only so many ways to skin a cat or set up plots. One of my high level campaigns had the group setting up in a city that was caught between two warring factions vying for control, with both of the factions being evil and while not apocalyptic, would have been bad for the region. So at first they were fighting some local ruffians, then hit some enemies that had backing from an outside power and so on. I think of it like a lot of standard TV series from back in the day when they had more than 8 episode per season. There was a main overarching plot and then little side-plots thrown in. Sometimes the plots took them to other planes of existence but it always came back to needing to protect the city they grew up in. The biggest problem that I see, which they say they are looking to fix with the 2024 edition is coming up with high level opponents that are not the exact same lich or archmage with different name, especially if you don't want to rely on extraplanar threats constantly. I got fairly good at upgrading things, like making the Lord Of Blades a CR 20 bad guy who, along with several allies, had taken over the PCs home town while they were off elsewhere. [/QUOTE]

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