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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9196186" data-attributes="member: 6801845">As did every single player that ran a fighter that I knew, which since I ran or helped run 2 game days in a major metro area numbered the dozens.Then again, fighter complexity was only part of the issue.&nbsp; It was because every PC sitting at the table had reactions and interrupts they could do, not to mention the half dozen or so conditions and counters going on every single turn.If you keep 5E character simple, high level combat is also simple.&nbsp; For that matter unless you go completely gonzo with 5E it's still simple.&nbsp; So given a choice of playing simplified characters in 4E I never saw played or playing the characters I've seen in every 5E game I've played to higher levels, my opinion stands.Unless you ran the simplest possible PCs in 4E (or perhaps played strictly with the 4.5 version) and had no magic items that did anything but add plusses to AC or to hit, maybe it would have run a bit faster. Maybe.&nbsp; I don't know because I never experienced it.Meanwhile?&nbsp; In 5E?&nbsp; People play whatever they want and in my experience it works just fine.&nbsp; Whether people choose to play high level 5E is a whole other issue.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 9196186, member: 6801845"] As did every single player that ran a fighter that I knew, which since I ran or helped run 2 game days in a major metro area numbered the dozens. Then again, fighter complexity was only part of the issue. It was because every PC sitting at the table had reactions and interrupts they could do, not to mention the half dozen or so conditions and counters going on every single turn. If you keep 5E character simple, high level combat is also simple. For that matter unless you go completely gonzo with 5E it's [I]still[/I] simple. So given a choice of playing simplified characters in 4E I never saw played or playing the characters I've seen in every 5E game I've played to higher levels, my opinion stands. Unless you ran the simplest possible PCs in 4E (or perhaps played strictly with the 4.5 version) and had no magic items that did anything but add plusses to AC or to hit, maybe it would have run a bit faster. Maybe. I don't know because I never experienced it. Meanwhile? In 5E? People play whatever they want and in my experience it works just fine. Whether people choose to play high level 5E is a whole other issue. [/QUOTE]

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