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<blockquote data-quote="nevin" data-source="post: 9198141" data-attributes="member: 7024481"><p>As i said when I do it. It depends on who's granting the wish, What they are asking for. I've determined God that had an interest in what the party was doing was granting and when the wizard asked ressurect two party members and heal the other 3 completely it just worked.</p><p></p><p>One game I ran a party member wished to be the richest person in the world and became the 60 year NPC in charge of all trade in waterdeep. ; and the merchant became him. I played mage-thief in forgotten realms wished to be the best thief alive and the best thief alive suddenly changed places with him becomeing a mage/thief and my character ended up a much higher level thief with no magic in the deep underground dungeon where Waterdeep, keep's the dangerous people. both got exactly what they asked for. I don't even feel like me or the DM screwed anyone. I'll say this. Generally just giving the character what they wish for with the inevitable consequences that come from the change's in reality are far more painful than screwing them up front by actively screwing with the wish. </p><p></p><p>My DM wishing rules. </p><p>1. Barring intelligent influence a wish will always take the path of least magic required to achieve.</p><p>2. When a wisher attempt's to wish for more than the power of the spell it will attempt to leech other magic to achieve spell.</p><p> (so if you are standing on a ley line, or are a really powerful party with a lot of magical items they are all potential sources of magic. (though I'd give them appropriate saves if the wish tried to drain them). If the verbage is open and non restrictive the wish could make a deal with an outsider without your knowledge but your inferred consent as you cast the spell etc, etc, etc. Or the spell take the closest path it can achieve the closest result to what you asked for. I.E. You wished to resurrect 3 people, wish can't do that not enough magic to leach, no god jumping in to help, so it used 3 5th level spells and reincarnate's all 3 of them. )</p><p>3. The wish will not do something you didn't wish for unless it is malfunctioning because you asked too much of it. </p><p> a. this means if the wish makes a deal with a power or creature they are stuck to the verbage of the wish as well.</p><p>4. Big changes will draw attention of those affected, the creators of the universe and thier proxies. </p><p> a. this does not necessarily mean immediate reaction. you have just popped up on the universal threat radar of some powerful being or group as a potential problem that may need to be dealt with, or even used to achieve thier own goals.</p><p></p><p>note you can stick to a set of rules like this and simply attempt within the existing powers and spells WOTC has layed out and trying to comply non-maliciously the player may be screwed or unhappy when say his friends are now the 6" barbarian pixie, the Orc ranger who wants to kill himself, and the Hot lizard woman Bard who is now not a good face for the party. </p><p></p><p>But as long as the wisher sticks to things within the spell descriptions or close to them and wishes for one thing I don't screw them. 1 ressurection is completely within the power of a wish. Wishing for 4 more points of intelligence would probably get you a crown of intelligence etc. </p><p></p><p>Wishing the BBEGI Dead might get you a visit from the god of the dead for an up close personal talk on what is his domain and what is your domain.</p><p></p><p>I don't need to creatively screw my players they do it to themselves all the time. But then so do I when I'm playing and go that route.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nevin, post: 9198141, member: 7024481"] As i said when I do it. It depends on who's granting the wish, What they are asking for. I've determined God that had an interest in what the party was doing was granting and when the wizard asked ressurect two party members and heal the other 3 completely it just worked. One game I ran a party member wished to be the richest person in the world and became the 60 year NPC in charge of all trade in waterdeep. ; and the merchant became him. I played mage-thief in forgotten realms wished to be the best thief alive and the best thief alive suddenly changed places with him becomeing a mage/thief and my character ended up a much higher level thief with no magic in the deep underground dungeon where Waterdeep, keep's the dangerous people. both got exactly what they asked for. I don't even feel like me or the DM screwed anyone. I'll say this. Generally just giving the character what they wish for with the inevitable consequences that come from the change's in reality are far more painful than screwing them up front by actively screwing with the wish. My DM wishing rules. 1. Barring intelligent influence a wish will always take the path of least magic required to achieve. 2. When a wisher attempt's to wish for more than the power of the spell it will attempt to leech other magic to achieve spell. (so if you are standing on a ley line, or are a really powerful party with a lot of magical items they are all potential sources of magic. (though I'd give them appropriate saves if the wish tried to drain them). If the verbage is open and non restrictive the wish could make a deal with an outsider without your knowledge but your inferred consent as you cast the spell etc, etc, etc. Or the spell take the closest path it can achieve the closest result to what you asked for. I.E. You wished to resurrect 3 people, wish can't do that not enough magic to leach, no god jumping in to help, so it used 3 5th level spells and reincarnate's all 3 of them. ) 3. The wish will not do something you didn't wish for unless it is malfunctioning because you asked too much of it. a. this means if the wish makes a deal with a power or creature they are stuck to the verbage of the wish as well. 4. Big changes will draw attention of those affected, the creators of the universe and thier proxies. a. this does not necessarily mean immediate reaction. you have just popped up on the universal threat radar of some powerful being or group as a potential problem that may need to be dealt with, or even used to achieve thier own goals. note you can stick to a set of rules like this and simply attempt within the existing powers and spells WOTC has layed out and trying to comply non-maliciously the player may be screwed or unhappy when say his friends are now the 6" barbarian pixie, the Orc ranger who wants to kill himself, and the Hot lizard woman Bard who is now not a good face for the party. But as long as the wisher sticks to things within the spell descriptions or close to them and wishes for one thing I don't screw them. 1 ressurection is completely within the power of a wish. Wishing for 4 more points of intelligence would probably get you a crown of intelligence etc. Wishing the BBEGI Dead might get you a visit from the god of the dead for an up close personal talk on what is his domain and what is your domain. I don't need to creatively screw my players they do it to themselves all the time. But then so do I when I'm playing and go that route. [/QUOTE]
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